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Re:Lessons from Bar Fight Litigation (2014) by notacoward on Tuesday October 10, 2017 @09:52PM (#15446761)
Worth noting: participants' size, strength, or degree of training doesn't even signify. The simple fact is that whoever gets the first shot in probably gets the last. There can be exceptions if the other person is both trained (in the right kind of martial art) and ready, but that combination is damn rare. So here are your options:

(1) Never visit bars, or at least limit yourself to the very top tier.

(2) Be willing to throw the first punch (kick, whatever).

(3) Be trained (again, in the right kind of martial art) and be ready all the time. That means being ready through an awful lot of false alarms, and also taking the risk of your readiness being interpreted as escalation. Your friends probably won't want to hang around in bars with you if you're like that.

(4) Learn how to de-escalate potentially violent situations.

Really, having been in a few fights, I highly recommend #4. That one skill is likely to be more useful than everything you'll ever learn in a dojo.

Re:Lessons from Bar Fight Litigation (2014) by ErikAugust on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @01:33AM (#15447511)
4 is best, by far.

I look romantically at my time as a doorman for a dive bar, especially now as a software developer, haha.

Seriously, I do pride myself in the fact I went to school full time while working at the bar as often as any other employee - 5 nights a week, for over a year.

Pair this with the fact we threw many dozens of people out on my watch without any serious interpersonal altercations. Yes people broke stuff, etc.

But mostly it was about communicating an out.

They were told to leave, first off, and that was in all senses, nonnegotiable.

But, 19 out of 20 times, they were just too drunk to be there. So I always let them know it was no big deal, come back tomorrow night or whatever. Just not now. Downplay it.

If it seemed they didn't want the fun to end, I would slyly make the suggestion to try other places, or to go eat.

I would work with their friends also if possible. Friends sometimes do the physical stuff for you if needed.

Kicking out whole groups is easy usually, as you can sort of stoke the group dynamic to dislike the bar for the perceived injustice. The ones who actually like the bar come back and apologize later in time.

Drunks will bait you, etc. which should be treated as comedy. There is really never a reason to initiate physicality. Certainly not without help either.

Re:Lessons from Bar Fight Litigation (2014) by travmatt on Tuesday October 10, 2017 @10:43PM (#15446935)
Even if you get the first shot in, there’s no guarantee that the persons friend won’t hit you in the back of the head with a bottle of beer and leave you struggling with a nasty concussion. Or the person you hit strikes their head on a hard surface, killing them. Or some cop or DA decides to make an example of your assault case, and you lose your job or have to do jail time. Just because you only intended to throw a punch doesn’t mean things can’t go badly out of hand.
Re:Lessons from Bar Fight Litigation (2014) by santaclaus on Tuesday October 10, 2017 @11:45PM (#15447133)
Do bar fights actually happen in this day and age? I’ve hit up bars of ill repute around the world since before I was of legal drinking age, and I’ve only witnessed a single bar fight between two grumpy locals in rural New Zealand.
Re:Lessons from Bar Fight Litigation (2014) by donatj on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @01:28AM (#15447493)
My friends brother was hospitalized around 2 years ago after getting into one, he’s fine now. I’ve had a number of drunk angry people try to start things with me and my friends, but we’re all too polite and apologetic to get into a fight.

One guy, who very drunkenly threw a punch at a friend (and missed) for unknowingly taking his chair even told us that his mother had just died and he only went out to the bar to punch somebody.

Re:Lessons from Bar Fight Litigation (2014) by cafard on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @09:40AM (#15449638)
Not sure how far back this day and age goes. I was bitten on the finger (and probably lightly punched on the face) ca. 1979 stepping in between a man in his thirties, likely coked up, and a weedy law student he was about to hit. That was in downtown Washington. In the early 1980s I saw a guy get knocked down and kicked in the face outside a bar in the DC suburbs. In the 2007, I saw a guy get beat up by two other guys outside a bar in Vienna, somewhere between the Ring and the Prater. The first two were late at night, the latter was in broad daylight. (I had suggested to my wife that we stop at a cafe a bit farther from where there were drunks talking loudly. She ignored the suggestion and was greatly surprised at the fight.)
Re:Lessons from Bar Fight Litigation (2014) by dogruck on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @01:51AM (#15447567)
I have personally never been in a bar fight in my life.

But, yes, bar fights still happen regularly.

That said, my experience is:

  1. They are somewhat cultural.  More common in some regions/bars/demographics

  2. They happen more frequently as the night/drinking deepens
Re:Lessons from Bar Fight Litigation (2014) by dagw on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @04:22AM (#15448138)
But, yes, bar fights still happen regularly.

Where are you going to find regular bar fights? Is it more a US thing, a rural thing, a college town thing? Because despite having spent way too much time in bars in various parts of Europe, I've basically never seen anything escalate beyond shoving and shouting.

Re:Lessons from Bar Fight Litigation (2014) by dogruck on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @06:54AM (#15448704)
My general view is bar fights are more common when there's not a perceived tendency of escalating into knife and gun fights. I don't have data to support it though.

I last saw a bar fight on the north shore of Kauai. I love Kauai, but locals have told me, "there's not much else to do at night other than drink and fight."

Re:Lessons from Bar Fight Litigation (2014) by RobertoG on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @05:31AM (#15448402)
My personal observation is that it depends mainly on your culture (nationality?) relationship with drinking.

In some places, drinking is just something that do you do when you go out, in others, it seems like drinking is the goal of going out and they try to get drunk the faster the better.

Re:Lessons from Bar Fight Litigation (2014) by insickness on Tuesday October 10, 2017 @10:02PM (#15446795)
Even if you are the best-trained fighter in the world, you hit a guy and he could fall and hit his head on something hard and potentially die. It's not that uncommon. Most of the time, the best option is to leave the situation.
Re:Lessons from Bar Fight Litigation (2014) by basseq on Tuesday October 10, 2017 @10:22PM (#15446864)
#4 the right answer, but many people jump to aggression. I clearly remember in college where I was pushed into a rather built gentleman while holding two drinks in a crowded bar. He was immediately ready to drop everything and fight about it. But backed down immediately with a simple, "Hey, sorry man." There's a certain class of person who would just keep escalating.
Re:Lessons from Bar Fight Litigation (2014) by BrandoElFollito on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @02:00PM (#15451746)
What I learned after 20 years of combat training in a dojo (full body fights) is that 3 seconds of inattention and my 4 years old son kicked me in my testicles after missing the ball. It is a miracle he now has a brother.

#4 is great, your ability to run a 400 meters in 70 s is awesome too.

Do not get into fights if there is any way to avoid them (including begging).

I you have to fight to full throttle and be the one to hit first.