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Re:Study finds putting people in prison increases re-offence... by splitrocket on Tuesday October 10, 2017 @09:37AM (#15441625)
I've never quite understood this argument.

Why does ethnic homogeny matter?

Re:Study finds putting people in prison increases re-offence... by hood_syntax on Tuesday October 10, 2017 @09:49AM (#15441728)
Cultural bonds tend to be stronger. I don't necessarily buy the arguments that follow from that premise but I do think there's some truth to that statement, especially because ethnic heterogeneity(sp?) tends to go hand in hand with immigration and hence mixing of cultures. I like the diversity of cultures that immigration brings, but some people like feeling as though they are part of a united whole.
Re:Study finds putting people in prison increases re-offence... by vilmosi on Tuesday October 10, 2017 @06:25PM (#15445835)
Humans are tribal though, as in maximum 200 people. Everyone else is an "outsider". Everything above that number is the treated the same, regardless of ethnicity, as a foreigner.

You can't seriously suggest millions of people think the same because of their genetic markup.

Re:Study finds putting people in prison increases re-offence... by dragonwriter on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @09:22AM (#15449490)
> Humans are tribal though, as in maximum 200 people. Everyone else is an "outsider". Everything above that number is the treated the same, regardless of ethnicity, as a foreigner.

That's a cute idea, but it doesn't take more than a few minutes of reading the news, or a few hours of first hand observation, to find plenty of examples where people very much do not treat everyone outside their ≤ 200 person tribe “the same, regardless of ethnicity”.

> You can't seriously suggest millions of people think the same because of their genetic markup.

The grandparent post refers to culture and ethnicity (the latter being an identity of shared culture) not genetics. Culture is essentially shared ritual, values, and historical narrative, and, yes, shared culture is significantly about thinking the same way.

Re:Study finds putting people in prison increases re-offence... by vilmosi on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @05:57PM (#15453874)
>>> That's a cute idea, but it doesn't take more than a few minutes of reading the news, or a few hours of first hand observation, to find plenty of examples where people very much do not treat everyone outside their ≤ 200 person tribe “the same, regardless of ethnicity

Um... Yeah, exactly. What's your point? It was a point of gossip to marry someone from the next village. So yeah, strangers were bad.

>>> The grandparent post refers to culture and ethnicity (the latter being an identity of shared culture) not genetics.

So... Like what is the relationship between a homogenous culture and crime rate again?!

You actually think people wouldn't kill themselves because they are from the same culture?

Re:Study finds putting people in prison increases re-offence... by hood_syntax on Wednesday October 11, 2017 @09:07AM (#15449401)
Ethnicity is not genetic. It's a social construct that refers to groups based on shared culture / language / nationality. The genetic similarity comes from reproduction among the population as a whole over a period of time. It's a consequence, not the cause.
Re:Study finds putting people in prison increases re-offence... by rayiner on Tuesday October 10, 2017 @10:35AM (#15442105)
I’m not saying it does. The parent post raised the issue preemptively.
Re:Study finds putting people in prison increases re-offence... by tyfon on Tuesday October 10, 2017 @10:57AM (#15442310)
I raised it because it is very commonly used as an argument against this system because "$ETHNIC_GROUP of people is so bad they can never be recovered".

And I don't think it matters, what matters is that all members of the society feels included and a part of it regardless of their origins.

But the latter is probably easier to achieve in a homogeneous society and you don't have to deal with xenophobia.