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Re:Confessions of a Failed Female Coder by Animats on Saturday October 07, 2017 @01:25PM (#15424678)
What's strange here is that the 1980s and 1990s were the period of the "lone coder". This was when Microsoft advertised in recruiting that every programmer got a private office with a door they could close. That's in the past. Facebook now has one of the largest bullpens on the planet in Menlo Park, so people can collaborate. Between office layout, "agile", Slack, Github, and StackExchange, programming is more of a social activity than ever.

So why isn't female participation coming back up? It was higher in the 1970s and 1980s than it is now.

Re:Confessions of a Failed Female Coder by swsieber on Saturday October 07, 2017 @01:30PM (#15424706)
Because the workforce is the wrong place to try to fix gender diversity - don't get me wrong, we should put efforts in place to make sure don't discriminate, but the workforce is composed of people already interested (and at least partially trained) to do the work.

The reason female participation isn't larger is because of the education / training part of the pipeline. Having a welcoming workplace doesn't suddenly spawn people with skills wanting to work there.

Re:Confessions of a Failed Female Coder by trendia on Saturday October 07, 2017 @01:37PM (#15424732)
I wouldn't be so sure that private offices is a male-only thing, or that Microsoft advertising it had to do with the "lone coder." I know quite a few women who complain about their open office work plans and would jump at an opportunity to get the same pay with a private office.

Rather than being about a male-dominated "lone coder", Microsoft's guarantee of a private office means two things:

1) that a private office is a benefit to their target employees, and

2) that most companies at the time did not have a private office

Otherwise, they wouldn't advertise it as much. In more recent times, I don't think that Facebook's push to open offices is as employee centric as Microsoft's push to private offices. Instead, I think Facebook (and Apple) are trying to save money, since an 8' x 10' office in San Fran costs an employer anywhere from $8,000 / yr to $30,000 / yr. So, it would have less to do with providing benefits to their employees and more about their own bottom line.

Re:Confessions of a Failed Female Coder by dnautics on Saturday October 07, 2017 @02:07PM (#15424877)
maybe the 'women are social and men are loners' trope is the wrong mechanistic explanation for gender disparity among coders. FWIW/anecdata: I know way more women than men who are self-claimed 'introverts' that would stay at home if they could get away with not working, so I would not be in the least surprised if this explanation were a dud.
Re:Confessions of a Failed Female Coder by mjevans on Saturday October 07, 2017 @03:28PM (#15425267)
I'm going to read your intent as: 'get away with not going to an office'.

Based on that, I'll say that measuring actual work in cognitively focused fields is difficult if not impossible.

The entire premise of compensation based on or a requirement built around a given minimum or maximum hours of work is crazy when the actual work that happens is mostly cognitive and not literally constructive. A job of that type practically demands a salaried payout and advancement based on overall project success/contributions (which might be incredibly fuzzy to measure and difficult to prove or compare as facts).

Re:Confessions of a Failed Female Coder by dnautics on Monday October 09, 2017 @06:58PM (#15438125)
no, I meant, get away with not working at all.
Re:Confessions of a Failed Female Coder by js2 on Saturday October 07, 2017 @02:16PM (#15424920)
So why isn't female participation coming back up? It was higher in the 1970s and 1980s than it is now.

> "We’re now in an era where computer scientists are no longer universally considered to be ‘80s-style loners, but the structure of workplaces is still often dominated by the manner of thinking that was created by them (see also: “move fast and break things”[1])."

[1] https://xkcd.com/1428/