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Re:If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the p... by Steeeve on Thursday October 05, 2017 @02:23PM (#15411387)
I also decided against another macbook.

Apple quite obviously sees the notebook market as secondary. I don't blame them. i-device sales far outpace notebook sales.

But not everybody feels that way. I can get a pretty damn impressive linux box for the same cost.

Re:If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the p... by freedomben on Thursday October 05, 2017 @02:42PM (#15411555)
It's become a bit of a joke that every year is "the year of the linux desktop," but seriously I've been amazed at how awesome machine I can get with linux for half the price of a macbook. Linux UX has come a long way. Both Gnome and KDE these days have a pretty complete and nice experience.
Re:If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the p... by nkkollaw on Thursday October 05, 2017 @03:31PM (#15411944)
Every time I go back to desktop Linux, my experience is a nightmare.

It usually includes updates (or myself by mistake? not sure) making my system so broken that I have to reinstall and start again from scratch.

This year I thought I'd try with the Pro after the MacBook Air wasn't upgraded with retina, but if I have to spend almost EUR 2,000 and have faulty hardware and a broken OS that shows my password in clear text, might as well spend 1/3 to get a just-as-good laptop with elementary OS on it.

Re:If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the p... by antod on Thursday October 05, 2017 @08:12PM (#15413547)
> It usually includes updates (or myself by mistake? not sure) making my system so broken that I have to reinstall and start again from scratch.

I hear that a lot, but I always wonder what distro people are using or what they do to their machines or what hardware they have etc.

My current laptop at home has been getting every 6 monthly Ubuntu in-place upgrade since 13.04 and hasn't had an issue. Same with the kids second hand laptops. But I choose Thinkpads and make sure I always get Intel graphics and wifi chipsets for compatibility.

Based on my colleagues experiences though - I don't have anywhere as much upgrade confidence at work with my Macbook Pro though (still on El Capitan).

Re:If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the p... by jsz0 on Thursday October 05, 2017 @02:56PM (#15411681)
Gnome and KDE both still make me want to puke up blood but I would agree there will come a point in the not too distant future where Apple's going to have to look at cutting Mac prices. I mostly buy second hand these days just because I don't want to spend $2k+ when a $1k used machine is good enough for my needs.
Re:If macOS High Sierra shows your password instead of the p... by lederhosen on Thursday October 05, 2017 @03:24PM (#15411882)
I would pay _more_ for a Linux laptop than a Mac if I _had_ to. It is a matter of taste and also what you are used to. I have the choice not to use KDE and Gnome and choose xmonad instead. Macs are horrible for many of those that are not used to them.