Sure, but at least they don't charge premium.

I paid 275 for my Moto G5, and it's about 10 times better (IMO) than the last iPhone I owned, which cost 3 times as much.

The Moto devices feel like a well kept secret in the Android community. They are all priced well and the quality is generally quite good.

Its too bad that the cameras tend to be subpar, though.

I’ve been abandoned on updates by Motorola or whoever it is owned by on the current whim within a year of buying my G2 and G3 handsets. I don’t feel I can trust them or Google with my cash. Not only that Google makes it difficult to consider your privacy because at every turn there’s a trap.

And god forbid one goes wrong because the repair and aftercare service at least in the U.K. is dire. I was told a handset was water damaged after it failed. Turns out it’s shipped to a 3rd party repairer who blames it on you if they can’t fix it. I had to hit moneyclaim (small claims court) to get it back.

Ergo I bought a 6s and have had zero problems with it. It just works.

Meh, I've been "abandoned" for updates on my Moto Droid Turbo as well. I have to tolerate the horror that is Marshmallow, despite the fact that Oreo is now the king of the hill.

And you know what? I just don't care. The security updates have been pushed in a timely manner, even for Marshmallow if they were required at the system level. Application updates (including to System WebView and security critical services) continue to deliver new functionality.

But yeah, if you want a great camera and consistent full system updates, you should probably skip these.

G2 seems to still get updates if you install LineageOS. My Note2 works beautifully. It is a pity that you have to install it yourself though. On Apple you get updates for as little as 2 years (5s). Neither is good. I would so much prefer buying a phone with vanilla Android and open drivers. But I can still buy an Android phone that I can change batteries and SD-card. One that is not planned to be obsolete.

My wife has a 5 that is 5 years old and has only just stopped getting updates and the battery and storage is fine still.

Wow. In Finland we got those for 100-150 EUR for preordering. No service provider tie-ins.

Amen.

You can pay a lot for an Android phone too!

Yes, but you don't _have to_. My phone is absolutely perfect. It's got a fingerprint sensor, 4K camera, nice screen, and even an phone jack which I use very often.

It also had choice.