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Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by flunhat on Thursday October 05, 2017 @01:55AM (#15406914)
This is the first Ethereum based project I've seen that seems halfway interesting (and I'm one of those "cryptocurrency doubters").

It doesn't somehow recursively relate to Ethereum, doesn't over-rely on blockchain buzzwords, and can be explained in a sentence or two. While first reading the page, I didn't realize that it was even an Ethereum based project until the very end, which I liked. At any rate, I'm interested enough to read the documentation in depth now.

Don't ruin this by having some bullshit ICO money grab, though. It looks halfway decent (and if you read my comment history, I don't really say that about any cryptocurrency projects, really).

Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by orcdork on Thursday October 05, 2017 @04:29AM (#15407496)
It's interesting that I'm on exactly the other side - it seemed halfway interesting until I realized there's some kind of cryptocurrency involved (and only figured that out while reading this comment).

The org stuff looks interesting - the crypto stuff makes me more suspicious of it's present and future because of the possibility of a money grab.

Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by tinkerrr on Thursday October 05, 2017 @05:25AM (#15407745)
Instead of such a knee-jerk reaction to crypto, perhaps you can ask if the crypto token involved makes sense in this use case. If it doesn't, like in 99% of the cases, you can dismiss it then. Colony, IMHO, is one of the few projects where it does make sense to have a token.
Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by iakh on Thursday October 05, 2017 @08:44AM (#15408653)
Can you help me understand why a token makes sense in this case? It seems just as easy to implement this concept as Colony SaaS.
Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by bmelton on Thursday October 05, 2017 @11:16AM (#15409844)
If it's like Assembly, the coins/tokens themselves don't have value _per se_, they just represent ownership. Basically, in this case, it's acting more of a ledger to represent equity than as the commodity it's typically used as.

An example:

UserA posts a great idea, and wants help to implement it. UserA is an MBA, has a business plan, a rough idea of execution, etc., but is not a programmer, or a graphic designer, or anything like that. UserA realizes she needs help, so she posts bounties - with features relative to the importance of the success of the project. "Need a landing page" might be a feature, with tasks broken out like "design a logo", "build a wireframe in Sketch", "convert Sketch wireframe to React frontend", etc. Each of those tasks will have a value, represented by Ether.

UserB, a graphic designer comes up with the perfect logo, which is worth 100 ether. User C, a frontend developer picks up the wireframe task, gets consensus, and then bangs out the React work, for a total of 250 ether. Other work gets done and an MVP is launched. The MVP was built, and a total of 5,000 ether were distributed as bounties were claimed and completed. User B has gone on to do a bunch of other graphic design tasks, and has a total of 600 ether, while User C left the project after completing the frontend work. The project's MVP launches, and makes $10,000 in profit. Because UserB has 600 ether, and 5,000 ether have been issued, UserB's share entitles him to ~12% of the profits, so he is disbursed a payment of $1200. UserC's share entitles him to $500.

As the project grows, UserB takes on more and more work, and more and more ether are issued. UserC doesn't ever come back on, but is still entitled to profits on the work they've done, though their share of ether will keep being diluted as the project goes on.

Hopefully I've been able to illustrate that the coin in this case is used not as currency itself, but as a representative stake in ownership.

Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by mgkabar on Thursday October 05, 2017 @11:57AM (#15410187)
Yeah, this seems very similar to how a Colony is envisioned to run, with a few extra considerations:

Each colony's native tokens act as a representation of equity as described above (more or less), entitling holders to a 'rewards' disbursement periodically - but they also may be employed by the colony for mechanisms of governance in the case of token-weighted voting.

Additionally, whenever someone makes an amount of tokens, they also are awarded an equal amount of reputation, which cannot be transferred and which decays over time. This score also confers influence in the colony for voting and dispute resolution, if the members of the colony wish to make their voting reputation weighted, or some combination of reputation and token-weighted.

Finally, to claim rewards, a user needs to have both reputation and tokens - this means that tokens themselves don't immediately entitle one to rewards; only those who actually contribute meaningful work to the colony (as evidenced by their reputation score) are entitled to proportional rewards.

Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by orcdork on Thursday October 05, 2017 @07:13AM (#15408221)
Being suspicious or cautious, particularly considering the amount of people expressing the same sentiment in the comments, is not a knee-jerk reaction.
Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by jdjeiiie310 on Thursday October 05, 2017 @08:54PM (#15413712)
Especially when it’s been shown crypto currency can be expropriated and no one cares

Oh boy another platform that can be gamed by a minority for their overwhelming benefit

Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by KuhlMensch on Friday October 06, 2017 @05:34AM (#15415495)
What is the example of cryptocurrency expropriation you are referring to?
Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by kibwen on Thursday October 05, 2017 @09:16AM (#15408868)
Seconded. I help to manage an open organization (an open source project, non-revenue, so thankfully no need to worry about profit sharing) and it's often damn hard. I was hoping to see a platform with tools specifically tailored for distributed organizations to make collaboration and communication easier. But as soon as I see anything related to cryptocurrencies, it puts me on high alert. I don't pretend that it's fair, but there's too many scam artists at large looking to exploit suckers for a quick buck to be anything other than cautious.
Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by heroprotagonist on Thursday October 05, 2017 @12:09PM (#15410286)
I was exactly the same. I read this comment, then went back and looked again and saw:

> One organization should not be beholden to, or have to trust another, in order to confidently conduct their business.

>

> That’s why the Colony protocol is built as open source smart contracts on the Ethereum network.

In one breath, "We shouldn't have to trust any other organization" and then immediately after it's "built on the Ethereum network".

I wish this was not a requirement.

Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by AgentME on Thursday October 05, 2017 @04:37PM (#15412413)
The Ethereum network isn't an organization. It's decentralized without anyone having full control over it.
Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by heroprotagonist on Thursday October 05, 2017 @06:04PM (#15412911)
Ethereum lost my trust when they suggested a soft fork to make transactions with a specific account invalid, eg, the DAO fix.

It showed both that a) code as contract is still too hard when even core contributors can't get them right, and b) the dev team is willing to shunt the underlying principles under the right conditions (eg, financial ones)

A central team that is willing to de-authorize specific transactions through control of the code base is at conflict with a decentralized network. Sure, the network didn't have to go along with it, but they also probably wouldn't have performed the change on their own, either.

Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by QAPereo on Thursday October 05, 2017 @02:06AM (#15406952)
They’ve already written a blog about why they’re not going to do an ICO unless and until they are fully functional. If I remember correctly they were planning an ICO, but their lawyers advised that it would be a bad idea under the current circumstances and they rethought it. Honestly it’s says a lot of good about them in my opinion, most of all that they care more about the health of the project than getting rich quick. Even if long term riches are their goal, at least they’re going about it the sensible way and not playing cowboy.
Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by mbrock on Thursday October 05, 2017 @02:12AM (#15406965)
https://blog.colony.io/the-colony-token-sale-7ac14c845bc0

A protocol token is part of the Colony roadmap, but they won't do a token sale until the product is ready, to minimize the risk that their token will be considered an unlicensed security by the SEC.

Protocol tokens or "app tokens" in general are really exciting, and a lot of the smart VC people are talking about them. The latest episode of the A16Z podcast is all about protocol tokens, for example.

Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by Kiro on Thursday October 05, 2017 @02:30AM (#15407014)
What's the difference between a protocol token and the scam tokens you usually get from ICOs?
Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by mbrock on Thursday October 05, 2017 @02:58AM (#15407126)
One's a scam and the other isn't? I mean, it's just a question of whether the thing is legitimate, real, and non-fraudulent.
Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by Kiro on Thursday October 05, 2017 @06:52AM (#15408129)
That's what I'm asking though. Are "protocol tokens" the same as regular tokens, technically speaking?
Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by QAPereo on Friday October 06, 2017 @09:33PM (#15421729)
In the same way that mmorpg currency is.
Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by vertex-four on Thursday October 05, 2017 @05:17AM (#15407711)
A protocol token can actually be used to do something.
Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by Kiro on Thursday October 05, 2017 @06:52AM (#15408134)
What is it then? How does it differ from regular tokens, from a technical point of view?
Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by vertex-four on Thursday October 05, 2017 @06:02PM (#15412902)
There is some program in existence which uses the tokens to fund or incentivise actually performing some useful action.
Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by mhluongo on Thursday October 05, 2017 @07:56AM (#15408393)
It's necessary for the network design.
Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by davman on Thursday October 05, 2017 @03:17AM (#15407192)
So I wonder if this is the case because Colony actually pivoted into using Ethereum? I remember an earlier version that had the same basic concept but nothing to do with Ethereum.
Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by daics on Thursday October 05, 2017 @03:20PM (#15411848)
No, they were one of the first projects on Ethereum back when Ethereum launched in 2015.
Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by davman on Thursday October 05, 2017 @03:48PM (#15412060)
I thought it was just called "nectar" when Colony launched?

https://web.archive.org/web/20150402004048/http://colony.io:...

Re:Colony: A platform for open organizations by brenschluss on Thursday October 05, 2017 @03:30PM (#15411941)
The fact that the cryptocurrency will not be "one member, one vote" but operate as an influence will just create positive feedback loops that amplify dominant voices and weaken less dominant voices. Which is already how the logic of social influence works anyways.