This comment violates the guidelines. You've made highly provocative and controversial claims without support, which is also called flamebait. This doesn't bring us any closer to actual learning or insight. That's what this site is for.

> Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

(The guidelines also specifically ask you not to use uppercase for emphasis, but that's small potatoes at the moment)

Exactly. I have tons of Indian , other south Asian and east Asian heritage colleagues. Weird how theres no racism in this case.

'“There have been no changes for Asians or any other minority over time – men or women,” said Buck Gee, the study’s co-author and an executive adviser to Ascend, a US-based research group that advocates for Asian representation in businesses.'

The claim is that, despite increasingly visible/vocal attempts at diversity, the industry does not reflect this. We've noticed a regression in black/Latino hiring and stagnancy for Asians. This implies that there is racism at work.

Or it means any number of things such as the visible/vocal attempts at diversity failing to achieve their stated goals, the difficulty in attracting appropriately skilled developers from what is already a much smaller subset of the population etc.

The angle of the study, if not the actual result, is already a foregone conclusion considering it's from an Affirmative Action-lobbying organization but even then some of the complaints are a bit nonsensical (hard to know if it should be chalked down to the Guardian or the actual report though), for instance that it's twice as likely to find white men and women as CEOs than asian ones, when the amount of whites are fourteen times the one of the asian population in the US.

> This implies that there is racism at work

Does it though? Or does it suggest that the problem is not (just) racism, and that all the noise is making it harder to identify and solve the root problems?

No I don't believe it does. Causation != correlation.

Just because a company goes on a PR campaign to openly discriminate based on race and attempt to hire minorities, does not mean more minorities will present themselves in the application pools.

Again, until urban minority cultures begin to value education - nothing will change.

> The reality is, urban black (and to a similar extent latino) CULTURE does not value education.

I have no interest in deleting your comment, but I am interested in rational debate.

1. What is your evidence for this?

2. Why would this explain a decline in representation? Do you believe that "urban black" culture has started devaluing education?

3. If, indeed, you're tired of thinking about race, why is your analysis based on "urban black" culture? Why not urban culture in general? There are plenty of inner-city whites and Asians, no?

> 1. I don't think I need to provide evidence that black culture does not value education. Call me racist, whatever you want - but this is an obvious truth.

I don't think calling you racist will be productive. But I am perfectly happy to call you uninterested in reasoned debate if you cannot produce even the slightest shred at evidence here.

> 2. This is difficult to quantify, maybe it's gotten worse - the underlying issue remains.

So you have no reason why representation would worsen other than "maybe."

> You will not see black kids from double-educated-parent households from the suburbs struggling in academia or the workforce.

Again, can you provide evidence here? One form of evidence is looking at the number of students from such households who go to college for CS, and what the proportions are by race of people who get hired and promoted in tech. If those proportions are on par with the number who graduate college, then you'll have demonstrated your claim.

Sadly many people give too many fucks about skin color.

However, I agree with you. Skin color is but one variable - you could just as easily discriminate on hair color, or height.

Lets just all agree that we are members of the human race.

Black people don't have a homogenous culture, don't be surprised by the accusations of racism when you literally castigate a culture based on race.

You're asking for quite a lot. Black America doesn't value education because the culture was designed to devalue education. I know no one on this site wants to talk about it, but a culture was created for Black America during slavery.

Think about what was valuable in slaves. Physical Prowess (Stronger slaves means more work can be completed in the fields), and talent (slaves that can keep other slaves entertained mean they're not planning a revolt).

Keeping the slave master entertained by singing and dancing also brought perks for the slaves that are able to do so. Being able to produce more value in the field also brought perks.

Now think about the industries Black Americans dominate today... Athletics and Entertainment.

Being caught reading would get you killed, being caught writing would get you killed. Being white and teaching a black person to read or write could also get you killed.

African immigrants have no problem taking advantage of the education provided in america, so this isn't a genetic issue. https://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2015-10-13/it-isn-t-...

The problem is the culture. Simply saying fix the culture when it's the result of a process that took hundreds of years to create will not solve the issue.

I certainly don't believe it's asking for a lot. It's racist to assert that minorities don't have any self control.

Every race in the world has been enslaved at some point. We are just animals, transcend this.

Let's start here: is it too much of a stretch to say that I think it's ridiculous that the most commonly understood career path for black youth is drug dealer -> gangster rapper, or athlete? These kids deserve better role models, for one. This is an obvious truth and should not require citation.

The real question is why you felt the need to post this twice. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15395049

because it was shadowbanned despite being profusely upvoted

That's exactly what I meant, you can see me explain in other comments.

Assume good intent in people, come on guys.

Since we're talking about minorities, I felt the need to specify "urban black" culture, but I agree. "Urban <any race>" culture is suffering from anti-intellectualism.

What good intent is there in saying something so crass?

Saying "Urban <one or two races>" turns what's a non-race specific issue into a racial comment, good intent or not.

I'm a black person, so I'm not going to engage with someone who says things like "black people behaving like black people!"