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Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by rayiner on Monday October 02, 2017 @09:41PM (#15389438)
DC as a federal city should not have Senators or representatives. People aren’t supposed to live here, it’s just supposed to be a safe place for the federal government to sit that isn’t controlled by a state. It certainly shouldn’t be a major metro region.
Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by kibwen on Monday October 02, 2017 @10:59PM (#15389786)
The purpose of moving the capital from Philadelphia was to prevent any one state from exerting military control over the federal government.

The thought that "people aren't supposed to live here" makes no difference to the matter; people do live there, a lot of people, more than the entire states of Wyoming and Vermont, and without those residents the government would cease to function.

It would be feasible to enfranchise the citizens of DC by granting statehood while also maintaining the original intent of the city, by requiring the new state constitution to yield all physical security to the authority of the federal government.

Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by dragonwriter on Monday October 02, 2017 @09:45PM (#15389455)
> DC as a federal city should not have Senators or representatives. People aren’t supposed to live here

Then return the parts of the current district on which residences (other than official government ones like the White House) sit to the original states.

Because people do, in fact, live in D.C., and those people are currently governed (and taxed) without representation in the federal legislature.

Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by rayiner on Monday October 02, 2017 @11:40PM (#15389938)
The federal government needs a capital district it can defend militarily against the states. That's the whole point of D.C. The fact that people choose to live here to take advantage of federal government largesse doesn't mean they should have representation in Congress.[1] In the Constitutional scheme, states have representation in Congress, not people.

[1] As noted below, a significant fraction of the African American population live in D.C. because their ancestors were brought here involuntarily. They should be permitted to vote.

Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by dctoedt on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @03:21PM (#15395243)
> The federal government needs a capital district it can defend militarily against the states. That's the whole point of D.C.

That overstates the matter. The federal government was incapable of defending the District militarily against the states, because it intentionally had no significant standing army at the time the District was ceded to it [0]. Even after the U.S. Army started to take shape — mainly for service on the frontier, not at the national capital — it's doubtful that the District could have resisted invasion by the militia of even one of its state neighbors; this is indirectly evidenced by the ease with which the British took and burned Washington in 1814.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_United_States_A...

Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by baddox on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @01:03AM (#15390308)
How do large residential areas help the federal government defend itself against the states?
Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by chrisco255 on Monday October 02, 2017 @09:51PM (#15389493)
Then just absorb it into Virginia or Maryland.
Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by dragonwriter on Monday October 02, 2017 @10:03PM (#15389554)
That's what I said.

Although it runs into the problem that Virginia and Maryland don't want it.

Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by maxerickson on Monday October 02, 2017 @10:29PM (#15389676)
It could probably be turned into a simple matter of money.
Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by dragonwriter on Monday October 02, 2017 @11:11PM (#15389839)
Sure, but the rest of the country with voting representatives in Congress would rather disenfranchise D.C. residents than pay Virginia and Maryland to take on the extra population and the census count, representation, etc., that comes with them. But Virgina and Maryland's existing citizens don't want to dilute their own votes in their own states to take on a bunch of (disproportionately) poor, urban blacks.

The only people with a rational (short-term, at least) interest in D.C. representation is D.C. residents, and they don't get a vote, or even a vote for people who get a vote.

Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by maxerickson on Monday October 02, 2017 @11:23PM (#15389869)
Sure, but the rest of the country with voting representatives in Congress would rather disenfranchise D.C. residents than pay Virginia and Maryland to take on the extra population and the census count, representation, etc., that comes with them.

This strikes me as a very truthy claim. I'd expect the vast majority of people to be utterly indifferent to paying Virginia or Maryland to absorb parts of DC. They might say otherwise in a poll, but they'd act like it never happened when they next voted.

Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by tptacek on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @07:07AM (#15391547)
This made sense a couple centuries ago, but no longer does today. The seat of federal government could be moved back to Philly and the country would operate much as it does now. No American metropolis needs military protection "from the states" more than any other.

DC statehood would also help mitigate the distortive effect of allocating 2 Senators to every state regardless of population, which exaggerates the rural vote.

Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by tedunangst on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @08:35PM (#15397449)
Please no capital in philly.
Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by emodendroket on Monday October 02, 2017 @10:19PM (#15389621)
Hell sounds like the only sensible solution is removing them and then burning the city down, if it "wasn't supposed to be" like this.
Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by DrScump on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @04:02AM (#15390896)
The British already tried that.
Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by emodendroket on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @07:29AM (#15391622)
Who knew they were just doing us a favor?
Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by labster on Monday October 02, 2017 @11:15PM (#15389850)
"People aren't supposed to live [in DC]" is racist if you consider the population that does live there, and how that racial minority came to live there in historical context. Almost certainly unintentional racism, but you definitely could have phrased it better as "the original intent of a federal district was not to create a large city outside of a State."
Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by rayiner on Monday October 02, 2017 @11:43PM (#15389949)
You're definitely right. There are a significant number of D.C. residents who live here because their ancestors were brought to the city as slaves. They should be able to vote. Everyone else should not.
Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by SamReidHughes on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @01:26AM (#15390378)
No, they had as much choice to grow up in D.C. as anybody else who grew up there.
Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by objectivetruth on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @05:39PM (#15396440)
That's got to violate like a dozen constitutional and legal principles from the past couple of hundred years...
Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by emodendroket on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @07:34AM (#15391654)
Sounds like a nightmare to administer that policy.
Re:The Media Has Neglected Puerto Rico by cafard on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @09:03AM (#15392082)
DC resident here. People aren't supposed to live here? They did live here when the boundaries were laid out. There were farms, and two small towns.