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Re:‘Daily Stormer’ Termination Haunts Cloudflare in Online P... by rabite on Sunday October 01, 2017 @12:39PM (#15378579)
We never made such a claim.

Cloudflare's CEO has basically come out and admitted that now it was powerful well connected individuals threatening him instead.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/24/cloudflare-ceo-matthew-princ...

Re:‘Daily Stormer’ Termination Haunts Cloudflare in Online P... by mindslight on Sunday October 01, 2017 @02:04PM (#15378960)
Would you happen to have a third party source that could corroborate that you didn't make this claim? I realize I'm asking for the unreasonable (disprove an accusation about yourselves!), but perhaps the source material for the meme would suffice.

It's a bit surprising to hear your assertion, as I've only ever heard that "Daily Stormer" egged Cloudflare on. This was easy to accept, as it falls into the general pattern of trolling. But if this tidbit was actually malinterpreted and amplified by the media to flesh out their narrative, it gives a whole new face to the situation - don't let a good crisis go to waste and all that.

(FWIW I'm not in agreement with your specific political view here. But most people in the world are some type of asshole, and yet I still believe in their right to communicate freely).

Re:‘Daily Stormer’ Termination Haunts Cloudflare in Online P... by rabite on Sunday October 01, 2017 @04:42PM (#15379687)
Prince dropped us at the same time as a dozen other companies. To pretend that anything but the same pressure that had been applied to all those other companies had anything to do with it is pretty ludicrous. It is obvious that nothing we did had anything to do with it, given the timing.

We never made any such claim, but it is obviously irrelevant even if we had. Did we also claim that GoDaddy, Google, RU-CENTER, 101domains, Zoho, Sendgrid, Namecheap, Dreamhost, and a dozen other things I can't even remember were secretly Nazis supporting us? No, but Cloudflare dropped us with them and came up with a really fucking lame excuse to try to pretend that we were a special case.

We're not a special case. We're the only legitimate opposition to the establishment. The establishment came to him and made him an offer he couldn't refuse. If he had integrity, he would be honest about it. Now he's a bitch and a liar, whereas he could have been just a bitch.

Re:‘Daily Stormer’ Termination Haunts Cloudflare in Online P... by mindslight on Monday October 02, 2017 @02:57PM (#15386785)
Unfortunately, without anything concrete this isn't very compelling. Plausible and likely, sure. But not convincing to others.

It also hinges greatly on what you mean by "The establishment came to him and made him an offer he couldn't refuse". This reads as if you're referencing a top-down collusion to silence your type of speech, whereas I think it's more likely that these companies are worried about populist/democratic outrage affecting their image. Same result for you, same chilling effect on free speech, same dynamic where centralized communications administrators are ultimately forced to censor. But stemming from a completely different power mechanism and thus needing a very different approach to tackle.

Re:‘Daily Stormer’ Termination Haunts Cloudflare in Online P... by rabite on Monday October 02, 2017 @03:33PM (#15387164)
Except that Prince is on record stating that a "case was made to him" by "an executive at another company" and that the context was his upcoming IPO.

From TFA I posted:

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/09/24/cloudflare-ceo-matthew-princ...

>The CEO who pulled the final plug on the neo-Nazi web site Daily Stormer said he removed it from his company's Internet service to protect his firm's business in the run-up to a potential initial public offering (IPO). >"We were worried that people would say, 'We won't work with you anymore,'" Cloudflare CEO Matthew Prince told CNBC.

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>But then comments from others forced the hand of Prince, who co-founded the company with COO Michelle Zatlyn in mid-2009. >First, another CEO "whom I admire," Prince said, tweeted that Cloudlare should boot the Daily Stormer off its services, as its rivals had done.

It doesn't care at all about the mob (the same mob is right now demanding that they shut off other sites, and they are ignoring them) but rather about the enterprise clients that comprise the majority of their revenue.

Re:‘Daily Stormer’ Termination Haunts Cloudflare in Online P... by betterunix2 on Monday October 02, 2017 @09:54PM (#15389509)
Suppose for the sake of argument that CF stopped doing business with DS because those enterprise clients that comprise the majority of their revenue were threatening to drop CF. So what? CF is a business and sacrificing their biggest customers for the sake of a nazi website is not a great way to stay in business.

Really though, this is just splitting hairs. The difference between "CF was angry that DS claimed CF supported their views," "CF was being pressured by its biggest and most valuable customers," and "CF was concerned that keeping DS as a customer would negatively impact their IPO" is just a small detail. The point is that having DS as a customer is bad for business and CF, like all those other companies, decided that it was time to protect their business. What specifically prompted that decision is not too important -- it was just the straw that broke the camel's back.

Don't play coy about the nature of your site. Almost nobody actually wants websites like DS to exist and DS is toxic to the brand of any company that does business with it. The existence DS is merely tolerated as an unfortunate consequence of free speech, something which is outweighed by the various benefits of a democratic society. Your ability to remain online at all is tolerated as an unfortunate consequence of the free and open nature of the Internet. Maybe you cannot see that, but it's not hard for the rest of us.

Re:‘Daily Stormer’ Termination Haunts Cloudflare in Online P... by rabite on Tuesday October 03, 2017 @07:55AM (#15391754)
You're clearly Jewish.
Re:‘Daily Stormer’ Termination Haunts Cloudflare in Online P... by CalChris on Sunday October 01, 2017 @03:53PM (#15379465)
First, that's not what's going on in that article. The protection was for his company's reputation ("We were worried that people would say, 'We won't work with you anymore,'") pending their public stock offering. Prince has a fiduciary duty to his company and that was on display.

As to your counter claim ("We never made such a claim.") you need to understand that you are asking us to believe you rather than Cloudflare. As the Daily Stormer you have zero credibility.

What you do have is legal recourse. If you feel you've been libeled then sue Cloudflare. That is your right in a court of law. But your expectation of credence, no. Moreover, the lack of this lawsuit lowers your credibility below zero.

Re:‘Daily Stormer’ Termination Haunts Cloudflare in Online P... by lj3 on Sunday October 01, 2017 @06:59PM (#15380385)
> As to your counter claim ("We never made such a claim.") you need to understand that you are asking us to believe you rather than Cloudflare. As the Daily Stormer you have zero credibility.

He's not asking us to believe anyone. Cloudflare made an accusation that should be easily provable. The fact Cloudflare and nobody in this thread has been able to come up with a single quote supporting Cloudflare's accusation is pretty damning.

Re:‘Daily Stormer’ Termination Haunts Cloudflare in Online P... by rabite on Sunday October 01, 2017 @04:49PM (#15379719)
Suing a multibillion dollar company requires us to have the budget to do so-- generally that's a quarter million dollars or more for a federal civil case of that magnitude. Furthermore, what exactly are we suing for? Someone not doing business with us is not a valid tort. They can do that, and they can even lie about why they are doing that. That isn't cause for a suit, you absolute moron.
Re:‘Daily Stormer’ Termination Haunts Cloudflare in Online P... by CalChris on Sunday October 01, 2017 @05:25PM (#15379899)
What exactly are we suing for?

You are suing for damage to your reputation such as it is. You may be able to find some law firm to take you on pro bono or for a substantial cut of the proceeds. The Berkeley Patriot found a lawyer (and they have zero money) to take on UC Berkeley [1] (who has hella money). However, if you will not protect your reputation then asking reasonable people to believe you, The Daily Stormer, well, that is a bit much.

[1] http://www.dailycal.org/2017/09/22/berkeley-patriot-files-ci...

Re:‘Daily Stormer’ Termination Haunts Cloudflare in Online P... by rabite on Monday October 02, 2017 @01:20AM (#15381855)
Torts rooted in libel require financial damages. Our revenue has increased (companies banning us increases our legitimacy among our readers) so we have no plausible claim to damages. Cloudflare could literally argue that they did us a favor in court and get the case dismissed.
Re:‘Daily Stormer’ Termination Haunts Cloudflare in Online P... by CalChris on Monday October 02, 2017 @09:21AM (#15383570)
YANAL. However if you believe that to be the case, and while it has the stench of possibility I have to keep in mind that you are The Daily Stormer, then you should thank Cloudflare.
Re:‘Daily Stormer’ Termination Haunts Cloudflare in Online P... by jancsika on Sunday October 01, 2017 @01:25PM (#15378796)
That emphasizes a technical shortcoming of Cloudfare's infrastructure, no?

I ask that in light of two recent HN articles that explain how IPFS works.

Re:‘Daily Stormer’ Termination Haunts Cloudflare in Online P... by betterunix2 on Sunday October 01, 2017 @01:05PM (#15378703)
From that article:

"The Daily Stormer then raised the stakes with a claim that Cloudflare's management was supportive of its ultra-nationalist ideology."

Re:‘Daily Stormer’ Termination Haunts Cloudflare in Online P... by goatsi on Sunday October 01, 2017 @01:18PM (#15378763)
Cloudflare never provided a screenshot or quote to support that claim, and in a different article admitted that it was just a regular user posting on the dailystormer forum, not a post on the site.

https://gizmodo.com/cloudflare-ceo-on-terminating-service-to...

>“The Daily Stormer site was bragging on their bulletin boards about how Cloudflare was one of them and that is the opposite of everything we believe. That was the tipping point for me.”

I suppose Cloudflare customers should make sure to censor what gets posted on their sites if it refers to the political opinions of Matthew Prince.

Re:‘Daily Stormer’ Termination Haunts Cloudflare in Online P... by detaro on Sunday October 01, 2017 @01:36PM (#15378850)
That quote doesn't say that it was "just a regular user" (it's possible that it was, but that's not what it says)
Re:‘Daily Stormer’ Termination Haunts Cloudflare in Online P... by rabite on Sunday October 01, 2017 @04:29PM (#15379629)
The only source on that is Cloudflare, and they are not telling the truth.

Please source it directly. Where did we make this claim? We have not removed any Cloudflare related content from any of our articles. Our site is currently up at dailystormer.cat -- you're free to search it, as well as archive sites like archive.is for dailystormer.com. We never made any claim like this. It is simply a lie on the part of Matthew Prince, trying to spin the fact that he isn't an anti-DDoS company anymore as long as the DDoS traffic comes in the form of valid SMTP from powerful individuals and SJW mobs.