Re:Catalan referendum: 'Hundreds injured' in Catalan clashes
by thomasz on Sunday October 01, 2017 @01:31PM
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> For me as an Spaniard who works in center Europe who last week was in Catalunya is obvious who is using violence. It is not the police. There are people trowing stones to police, they are insulting and spitting to them, they are doing scratches to them.
Re:Catalan referendum: 'Hundreds injured' in Catalan clashes
by Oletros on Sunday October 01, 2017 @03:51PM
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> Puyol stole for 40 years without nobody in central Government doing anything, you could not do business there without paying to his family. He actually hired people from the Spanish secret services and got a lot of information back so central Government was scared of doing anything against him.
Poor central government, at least they are lucky that NOBODY in that party has been stealing and being corrupt, isn't?
And yes, PuJol (Puyol is the football player) is a thief and one of the most corrupts politicians in Spain, buy he is not very different from a lot of others politicians of PP and PSOE
Re:Catalan referendum: 'Hundreds injured' in Catalan clashes
by JaumeGreen on Sunday October 01, 2017 @01:39PM
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There is no violence by catalan demostradors. You are simply lying with the usual Spanish centralist retoric.
Has Pujol stolen? Yes. Have PP and PSOE (Spanish centralist groups) stolen? Yes.
Are lots of catalan tired of being insulted, being told they are not important, being told they are insolidary, being told they speak a language too many? Yes.
This movement is not in favour of local thieves, it's not against Spain, it's against some attitudes by fascists, that unfortunately are in power.
So they decided they would fly forward. Most of them, like Mas and Puigdemont were friends or partners of Puyol, who actually manage to steal hundreds of millions of euros, probably thousands, they are going to jail anyway. They have nothing to lose and lots to win.
Puyol stole for 40 years without nobody in central Government doing anything, you could not do business there without paying to his family. He actually hired people from the Spanish secret services and got a lot of information back so central Government was scared of doing anything against him.
The plan was doing all this and after 48 hours unilaterally declare independence, because of the "Oppressive state".
For the independentists it is "now or never". Certainly is not easy to have someone as weak as Rajoy as prime minister.
For me as an Spaniard who works in center Europe who last week was in Catalunya is obvious who is using violence. It is not the police. There are people trowing stones to police, they are insulting and spitting to them, they are doing scratches to them.