I don't know where you get those ideas from. Literally no one talks about an associate state, no one. Especially after these weeks repressive reactions by the Spanish Government.

No one is talking about anything. The attitude of politics of both sides is really an issue, and the worst thing is that they are both supported by the population, they get more votes because of this. I find completely stupid the central government not willing to talk about this while they negotiate with them about other things and even get their support. I still want a couple of Catalans tell me what they exactly want with the independence. I find a completely mistake to be independent, because being part of something bigger where people help each other is better. But I make this question several times here in this thread and still don't have an answer yet.

> I find a completely mistake to be independent, because being part of something bigger where people help each other is better

That premise does not necessarily lead to that conclusion. Ask the USSR.

You'll never hear them if you keep your fingers in your ears while humming your own thoughts like this.

Are you serious? I said what I think in the 7th nested comment, I repeated 6 times I want to know what they think before saying what I think. You have to be kidding me.