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Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by pm90 on Friday September 29, 2017 @04:27PM (#15368841)
> If you try to let people choose, but the other side says no, what's there left to do?

Not much really. I think its really stupid of the Spanish Govt. to try to stick to formal constitutional means when there is a genuine, popular mandate for independence. What they seem to be saying is that a referendum is not allowed by current laws so it is illegal to have it. And their ham handed response is only agitating the region even more, legitimizing the separatists call for independence.

OTOH if they had provided a path for an actual referendum to be held, provided democratic means for allowing independence... who knows? Maybe there wouldn't be a popular mandate in the referendum. Maybe the central government could have worked closely with those people, parties and cities that wanted to continue being part of Spain and convinced more.

Its seems really rich of the Spanish govt. to claim they are following democratic processes to enforce a very undemocratic rule. They seem to be playing with semantics to enforce their will.

Disclaimer: Total outsider view, I'm neither from Spain or Catalan nor have I ever visited. My opinions are based solely on news reports.

Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by gpvos on Saturday September 30, 2017 @03:15AM (#15371684)
> there is a genuine, popular mandate for independence

That remains to be seen. There are still less than 50% proponents of independence, according to what I read. The recent Spanish actions may have increased that number though.

Re:How the Catalan government uses IPFS to sidestep Spain's ... by pm90 on Saturday September 30, 2017 @01:22PM (#15373896)
That is exactly the point I am trying to make. If the Spanish Central Government had handled this better, it probably could have convinced more Catalan against independence. But its actions have antagonized more and it doesn't look like it will end well.