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Re:Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB by jjirsa on Friday September 29, 2017 @01:00PM (#15366974)
Good move, will be good for the database for sure. I think of this article [0] every time someone says "why not just use <some hipster database written by 2 people over the course of a year>":

Rule 1: Developing a good DBMS requires 5-7 years and tens of millions of dollars.

That’s if things go extremely well.

Rule 2: You aren’t an exception to Rule 1.

0: http://www.dbms2.com/2013/03/18/dbms-development-marklogic-h...

Re:Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB by baybal2 on Saturday September 30, 2017 @04:58AM (#15371941)
The reason is that Alibaba is stuck with mysql and complex queries being put very very deep inside their architecture.

And yes, things like top level transaction databases are like hand maintained clusters of 20 servers for the whole Alibaba with query caching servers in front of them to prevent OOMs

They tried to get rid of it many times as written in their tech blogs, but this probably indicates that they finally gave up on such endeavour, choosing to own Mysql instead

Re:Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB by baybal2 on Saturday September 30, 2017 @06:23AM (#15372171)
Their most sisyphean issue is the transaction locking. Imagine, 20 people trying to buy 19 trinkets, and you try to resolve transactions in a distributed DB, and two guys manage to buy the same thing in the exactly same nanosecond. The task is hard to tackle.

If you time-atomize the transaction, you get increase in minimal latency.

If you simply use a single server with very fast DB, you get reliability concerns.

With token ring locking, you get both.

And so on, so on, and on

Re:Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB by orf on Friday September 29, 2017 @01:27PM (#15367243)
Has Postgres received tens of millions of dollars in funding?
Re:Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB by olympus on Friday September 29, 2017 @01:33PM (#15367310)
Not sure about the funding, but it has been around for 20+ years. Maybe not tens of millions in VC funding, but it definitely has tens of millions of dollars worth of devs spending time on it.
Re:Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB by kalimoxto on Friday September 29, 2017 @01:35PM (#15367335)
Likely. Last year the foundation they're a part of received $25,000 in earmarked donations for Postgres which you can extrapolate over the 30 years it's been around to be a million-ish [1]. They've also received several million dollars in subsidies by starting as an academic project at Berkley in the 80s.

[1]http://www.spi-inc.org/corporate/annual-reports/

Re:Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB by riku_iki on Friday September 29, 2017 @01:34PM (#15367321)
Likely through supporting organizations:

EnterpriseDB: $64.92M in 6 Rounds from 7 Investors https://www.crunchbase.com/organization/enterprisedb#/entity

Plus it is much more under development than 5-7 years.

Re:Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB by jpollock on Friday September 29, 2017 @01:34PM (#15367316)
If you assume an average 10 person years of development effort over the 20 year history of Postgres, absolutely.

20 years * LoadedLaborCost (USD$150k/personyr) * 10 people

=>USD$30m.

Re:Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB by felixge on Friday September 29, 2017 @01:33PM (#15367308)
Yes, I think different companies invested that over the years. But perhaps more importantly it’s been 20+ years of development.
Re:Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB by deverant on Friday September 29, 2017 @01:34PM (#15367318)
I'd assume the amount of work contributed to PostgreSQL by people while being paid by companies to do so is substantial.

I think you could relate that to funding?

Re:Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB by AsyncAwait on Friday September 29, 2017 @01:36PM (#15367340)
Not sure that much, but Ingres was a sponsored research project and many people who now work on Postgres are employed by a consultancy.
Re:Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB by gilrain on Friday September 29, 2017 @01:35PM (#15367324)
It's received tens of millions of dollars of value in contributions, yes. Probably in large excess of that.
Re:Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB by vlunkr on Friday September 29, 2017 @02:57PM (#15368103)
I think using Postgres would be completely valid (could be wrong though), the issue would be converting their code base, rather than any stability issue in pg.
Re:Alibaba is leading a $27M investment in MariaDB by leandrod on Friday September 29, 2017 @09:42PM (#15370699)
Stupid. Having too many millions makes one careleß in using ðem. Impoßible to fix a bad architecture by þrowing money on it.