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Re:Average IQ scores seem to have been falling and populatio... by burkaman on Friday September 29, 2017 @11:38AM (#15366232)
Why would this effect suddenly present itself in 2004? Why hasn't it caused average IQ to decline for all of human history?

"A recurrent fear during the past century is that the mean IQ level of populations will decline because persons with lower IQ scores have above-average fertility. Most microlevel data demonstrate such fertility differentials, but population IQ levels have risen rather than fallen. In this article, a simple two-sex model shows that negative fertility differentials are consistent with falling, rising, or constant IQ distributions. Under a wide variety of conditions, a constant pattern of fertility differentials will produce an unchanging, equilibrium distribution of IQ scores in the population. What matters for IQ trends is how the IQ distribution in one generation relates to the equilibrium distribution implied by that generation's fertility differentials. Intuition fails in this important area because it does not account for the macro structure within which micro results must be interpreted."

- http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/10.1086/230135

Also note that there is "a strong inverse correlation between early life intelligence and mortality".

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_epidemiology#Overall...

Re:Average IQ scores seem to have been falling and populatio... by lsd5you on Friday September 29, 2017 @12:04PM (#15366482)
The most likely explanation is the prior to perhaps 200 years ago the differentials were different. (Also having lots of children may not result in a lot of descendents, so is an insufficient measure). This would be due to the fact that in an era before universal rights and universal economic security there were reproductive consequences to intelligence (or lack of).

So there is no evolutionary pressure. Evolution is a (brutal) system of unfairness that represents everything that modern progressive values work against. This is something that will need reconciling (or many technologists will hope for genetic engineering I guess) or in the long term will not be sustainable.

Consider your children are on average genetically inferior to you. This is mathematically true. A society which uniformly has 2 children per person + 100% survival will regress. In fact it may take something closer to mediaval or even prehistoric reproductive outcomes to have positive evolutionary pressure. This could be many people having 4-5 children, with many other people who are 'unfit' not having children at all (either remaining childless or dying early).

The subsequent improvements in education,environment and nutrition have likely provided a dividend that masked a fall in underlying genetic intelligence. Naturally as those gains have been fully realised the underlying trend will reassert itself.

Re:Average IQ scores seem to have been falling and populatio... by Lyle-Cantor on Friday September 29, 2017 @12:12PM (#15366554)
People confuse the normative and the descriptive. Everything you say is basicly correct. But it's horrible so it can't possibly be true. But why should evolution not be horrible?

Evolution does not care about our ideology. If we don't account for it and nerf its edge, though forms of selection that don't cause suffering to conscious creatures, like embryo selection or genetic engineering, then we will have to wait for Malthus to provide sufficient selection pressure to ensue our survival or extinction. This fingers-in-ears approach to biological reality would be concerning if countries like Korea and China weren't poised to exploit embryo selection and genetic modification for increased health and IQ, thus likely forcing more reactionary countries like us in the west to adopt them, too.

Re:Average IQ scores seem to have been falling and populatio... by rihegher on Friday September 29, 2017 @12:29PM (#15366711)
"if countries like Korea and China weren't poised to exploit embryo selection and genetic modification for increased health and IQ" Increasing IQ could only make sense for me if the society would know how to integrate people with High IQ. But for now we are far from it with 50% of high IQ people failing their education cursus and having issues interacting socially
Re:Average IQ scores seem to have been falling and populatio... by Lyle-Cantor on Friday September 29, 2017 @12:32PM (#15366749)
We will soon have the selection power to select for many traits simultaneously. Also, much of the problem super high IQ people have is the result of being surrounded by people much less capable than themselves. If we seize the high-IQ alleles and distribute them to the proletariat this would not be an issue.
Re:Average IQ scores seem to have been falling and populatio... by rihegher on Friday September 29, 2017 @12:47PM (#15366868)
being parent of high-IQ children is quite tiresome compare to average IQ children. So you would need a big bang in term of school reorganization and support to parents.
Re:Average IQ scores seem to have been falling and populatio... by burkaman on Friday September 29, 2017 @12:09PM (#15366535)
> there is no evolutionary pressure

Please take another look at my second link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_epidemiology#Overall...

If there's some analysis of evolutionary pressure over time I'd be interested to see it, although I'm not sure it can really be quantified like that.

Re:Average IQ scores seem to have been falling and populatio... by lsd5you on Friday September 29, 2017 @12:23PM (#15366649)
Whatever the truth, that section is poorly and contradictory.

'A strong link between cognitive ability and the risk of death.'

'A 15-point increase in intelligence was associated with a decreased risk of mortality of 32%.'

Wikipedia suffers a bit from not trying to be too neutral!!

Local cases of intelligence not helping with mortality/reproduction in todays society are not contradictory. This is the (dysgenic) thesis that intelligence does not help. Although increased mortality is perhaps a little harder to explain, but again hardly irreconcilable - I could speculate many plausible explanations.

To address your point, I feel it is intuitively true that we do not have positive evolutionary pressure. If indeed IQs are now falling despite the flynn effect then for intelligence at least here is the evidence for insufficient evolutionary pressure.

Re:Average IQ scores seem to have been falling and populatio... by burkaman on Friday September 29, 2017 @01:48PM (#15367453)
I agree that it feels intuitively true, but intuition is often wrong, as that wikipedia section shows. Pay more attention to the sources than the wording of the article. All of the sources demonstrate an inverse correlation between intelligence and mortality, meaning that intelligence does help.
Re:Average IQ scores seem to have been falling and populatio... by chongli on Friday September 29, 2017 @11:45AM (#15366286)
Because birth control is a recent invention. Before that, it took smarts to survive in a crapsack world. We have this stereotype of peasants and medieval people as being stupid in general but all the evidence shows otherwise. You had to be smart and capable of making robust plans to eke out a living on hardscrabble.
Re:Average IQ scores seem to have been falling and populatio... by yasp on Friday September 29, 2017 @11:56AM (#15366392)
Also, until recently mortality rates used to be a lot higher.