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Re:Facing poverty, academics turn to sex work and sleeping i... by kbenson on Thursday September 28, 2017 @11:34AM (#15357870)
Marketing. By marketing, I mean research grants, sports team equipment and training, and anything else that increases the prestige of the school (research sometimes leads to patents for the school, so there's additional benefit to that). You have to attract students willing to pay and good teachers and researchers to attract more students. The entire market is reputation based to the point where reputation is often (usually?) more important than results.
Re:Facing poverty, academics turn to sex work and sleeping i... by alexanderstears on Thursday September 28, 2017 @01:08PM (#15358874)
But there's a problem with how that stuff is bundled. I went to a school that lavished money on its sports programs (at least relative to the team's performance) and many of the sports programs were supported (in part) by mandatory student fees.

If I had the option to go to the school without paying for the team, I would have certainly done so. Though the school was still 'worth it' but dang it, I could have had more consumer surplus.

Another issue (probably not the first piece of fat I'd cut) is title 9 sports - schools have to make sports programs accessible to women and men and they most commonly do this by creating women's and men's teams. I don't have a good understanding of the law but there might be a better allocation of resources if they simply opened teams to both sexes rather than creating sexually differentiated teams.

Re:Facing poverty, academics turn to sex work and sleeping i... by kbenson on Thursday September 28, 2017 @01:33PM (#15359123)
> But there's a problem with how that stuff is bundled.

Sure. I wasn't endorsing the system, just explaining it as I see it.

> schools have to make sports programs accessible to women and men ... might be a better allocation of resources if they simply opened teams to both sexes rather than creating sexually differentiated teams.

I think that only works in a world where women and men are both physically capable equally in all aspects. That's not reality though, and at the high performance levels these teams play at, that difference is likely exacerbated to the degree that for many sports mixed teams would really just mean a starting lineup of one sex, which is not exactly succeeding at making it accessible if that's the goal.

Interestingly, if there were enough variation in the peak mental abilities we might see a similar segregation at peak performance levels. I suspect that while there is evidence that men and women often have different mental aptitudes, that's on average and at peak there is little difference in potential (even though there may be a difference in occurrence). E.g. There's plenty of evidence and reason to believe the strongest person that ever lived in the world is male, but there's not a lot of evidence to believe the smartest person that ever lived in the world, or even in any one field, is male (even if it may by likely to currently be one sec or the other based on ratios of interest).

Re:Facing poverty, academics turn to sex work and sleeping i... by alexanderstears on Thursday September 28, 2017 @03:35PM (#15360058)
I don't see it the same way, sure the power of the purse and all but if the Federal Government can't coerce states to follow immigration law as a condition of accepting some federal grants, we may as well say that the feds can't tie money to behavior and just let the chips fall where they may.

I get that women and men have different physical capabilities but why split it on gender? Why not split it on race? There isn't much racial equity in some sports, apparently some races can't compete as well as others and the demographics speak for themselves. Better yet, why not split sports by work ethic? I'd be more inclined to do sports if I could play with people who are similarly disinterested and the status quo isn't very accessible to me: a person who over eats, sleeps in, and forgets rules. I'm sure we can map that to a disparate impact somewhere.

Or ignore the discussion entirely and say "we'll let colleges decide how to handle their sports programs".

Re:Facing poverty, academics turn to sex work and sleeping i... by kbenson on Thursday September 28, 2017 @06:22PM (#15361263)
> I don't see it the same way, sure the power of the purse and all but if the Federal Government can't coerce states to follow immigration law as a condition of accepting some federal grants, we may as well say that the feds can't tie money to behavior and just let the chips fall where they may.

I'm confused, I wasn't making any case for that. I'm not sure where we got to Federal funding tied to specific program attributes.

> I get that women and men have different physical capabilities but why split it on gender? Why not split it on race? There isn't much racial equity in some sports, apparently some races can't compete as well as others and the demographics speak for themselves.

Do they, or is that primarily a matter of socioeconomics and class providing less traditional opportunities for certain ethnic groups, leading them to funnel effort in alternate areas, such as sports? It could also be a cyclical system, where many role models for a race are currently in specific areas (such as entertainment and sports) influencing newer generations. I wouldn't be comfortable attributing it to genetic variance of physical capability without a bit more info.

Re:Facing poverty, academics turn to sex work and sleeping i... by alexanderstears on Friday September 29, 2017 @01:20AM (#15362896)
>I'm confused, I wasn't making any case for that. I'm not sure where we got to Federal funding tied to specific program attributes.

Federal funding coerces schools into offering women's sports programs.

> I wouldn't be comfortable attributing it to genetic variance of physical capability without a bit more info.

Why do we have to attribute the difference to genetics or physical capability to make sports programs accessible? What about mental capability? Mentally impaired, physically okay individuals compete in the special Olympics. Why not create a class for people who are using performance enhancement drugs?

Re:Facing poverty, academics turn to sex work and sleeping i... by dragonwriter on Friday September 29, 2017 @01:27AM (#15362928)
> Federal funding coerces schools into offering women's sports programs.

No, leaving aside whether funding they aren't forced to take can coerce anything, it mandates equal sports programs. They don't have to offer women's sports programs, if they don't offer men's sports programs.

Re:Facing poverty, academics turn to sex work and sleeping i... by KirinDave on Saturday September 30, 2017 @11:59AM (#15373474)
I'm going to call this thread an instance of Graham's Law: the probability that men on Hacker News will eventually find a way to drive the conversation to a discussion about the relative intelligence of women is 1.
Re:Facing poverty, academics turn to sex work and sleeping i... by kbenson on Saturday September 30, 2017 @02:06PM (#15374128)
It's a semi-taboo subject that has little chance of being discussed rationally in most places. There's a small chance you might be able to get away with it here without someone with an agenda showing up to derail it, either on purpose or with extreme and unfounded views, just like every other part of the internet.