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Re:Ending factory farming as soon as possible by belorn on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @06:23PM (#15352877)
Looking through the different approaches on the list, I am missing one large one. Fishermen are currently throwing away a majority of caught fish because people only buy a very small selection of species (which also differ between nations). We could more than double the amount of fish meat that get eaten without changing the number of fish being killed, and yet for mostly cultural reasons we don't.
Re:Ending factory farming as soon as possible by SwellJoe on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @06:43PM (#15353022)
While I'd rather see mass fishing stopped entirely (and I don't eat fish, or any other meat, on ethical grounds), that's a valid point. I often think of the fact that lobster was once considered trash, or only to be consumed by the lowest classes, and only through an effective marketing campaign did it become a luxury food.

But, realistically, many ocean ecosystems are already on the brink of collapse. Merely increasing production won't save those ecosystems; though maybe it'd stave it off for a few years. Our industrial economies have produced seemingly limitless consumption and waste.

When you add up all of the wasted food at every stage of our agricultural systems, it is staggering. It's not just fish that's being wasted, it's everything. Solving the waste problem is more boring than growing meat in a lab, but it might be more effective at reducing hunger and reducing ecological destruction.

Re:Ending factory farming as soon as possible by belorn on Thursday September 28, 2017 @06:04AM (#15355961)
The waste problem in the other points of the production chain is indeed massive and solvable. The idea that fresh produce is sent to stores only to have a fraction being bought is a massive waste in both food and introduction of additional middle man. Online markets for food could fix this, but I have yet to see one that can compete on prices. It might happen once transport costs go down.

To go back to marine ecosystem, those that are on the brink of collapse is so mainly because of 3 causes. Pollution, invasive species, and over overfishing towards specific fish stocks. Both invasive species and overpopulation caused by eutrophication could actually use an increase in fishing in order to increase biodiversity, but a common element in both is that no one want to pay for it. To my knowledge it actually common problem in many fresh water lakes.

Re:Ending factory farming as soon as possible by openfuture on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @06:57PM (#15353104)
Something in the ocean is definitely eating that leftover fish, not throwing it away is not a "free" change.
Re:Ending factory farming as soon as possible by pvaldes on Thursday September 28, 2017 @04:36AM (#15355656)
Yes, there are a few "trophic highways" in the sea. Carrion eating animals is one of them, and lobsters are one of its members.

On the other hand fishermen do not discard so many small fishes as previously. Our cats and dogs will eat that.

"ending factory farming as soon as possible" equals at this moment to "killing by famine a lot of surplus humans as soon as possible". We need to produce more food, not less, because we are more people than the year before, not less.

Re:Ending factory farming as soon as possible by pg314 on Thursday September 28, 2017 @06:48AM (#15356133)
> "ending factory farming as soon as possible" equals at this moment to "killing by famine a lot of surplus humans as soon as possible".

The article is talking about animal factory farming. Eliminating animal factory farming would free up more than enough resources to feed humans directly. The conversion from plant calories to meat calories is not very efficient.

Re:Ending factory farming as soon as possible by pvaldes on Thursday September 28, 2017 @07:36AM (#15356349)
I know it, I can read :-), and is not so easy as you thing.

Animals in animal factory farming can be feeded with things that neither humans nor plants can/would accept directly.

Animal factory farming by-products also are needed to support agriculture. Using human faeces at large scale to fertilize the spoil is not so good idea as using horse, goat, cow or pig faeces (Because human faeces carry more types of human transmisible parasites and more often than faeces in non-human animals).

Agriculture without using fertilizers will not provide the same harvests.

We have only one planet and the only land available yet to put all this cattle (that is apt to breed cattle and not used yet) are the last sanctuaries of biodiversity. We will need to burn the forests if we want to scalate our solution of "freedom for all cows and pigs".

Therefore we must be aware that our shiny plan of liberating resources to feed humans could backfire easily in several parts.

There is not a morally-magic solution for our current problems (and we have big problems). Meat generated in lab will need also resources to grow. We talk about chemical resources, lots of water, sterilization material and lots of energy. And currently is just a very expensive way with the main purpose to provide vegans with a exit way to lie to themselves and eat meat that "is not meat, just a nerveless animal tissue thin as a paper".