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Re:Bitcoin ‘More Than Just a Fad,’ Morgan Stanley CEO Says by matthewbauer on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @11:50AM (#15349015)
I think invest is the wrong term. Investments have some kind of builtin return like interest or dividends. You're buying bitcoin in the same way you buy gold or a lottery ticket. Maybe you have some solid reasoning on why price will go up but you aren't getting any returns like in an investment.
Re:Bitcoin ‘More Than Just a Fad,’ Morgan Stanley CEO Says by root_axis on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @12:24PM (#15349371)
> investments have some kind of builtin return like interest or dividends

I'd say, more so, the distinguishing factor between an investment and speculation is that an investment is used to facilitate a business process that could potentially create wealth whereas speculation is a bet that something of value will be worth more at a later date.

Re:Bitcoin ‘More Than Just a Fad,’ Morgan Stanley CEO Says by leggomylibro on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @12:28PM (#15349424)
Although, you can buy ETFs that aim to track cryptocurrencies by buying a basket of them, looking at payment processors, etc.

It's like, I think that lithium is gonna be short in the near future. It's really useful stuff. But I'm not buying kilograms of raw lithium to hoard in my garage, I'm investing in the companies that oversee the element's mining, processing, surveying, etc. And maybe looking at commodity options in the short term, but given what happened there with aluminum...

Re:Bitcoin ‘More Than Just a Fad,’ Morgan Stanley CEO Says by DennisP on Friday September 29, 2017 @03:16PM (#15368270)
Suppose I buy gold to diversify my portfolio, because it has a low correlation with the other asset classes I own? Is that an investment?

Crypto can play a similar role.

Re:Bitcoin ‘More Than Just a Fad,’ Morgan Stanley CEO Says by fenwick67 on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @12:04PM (#15349159)
Boiled down to the base principles it's the same... money goes in, more money might come out, or you might get less money out. The only difference is predictability and odds.
Re:Bitcoin ‘More Than Just a Fad,’ Morgan Stanley CEO Says by RyanCavanaugh on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @12:11PM (#15349224)
The entire profit motive from Bitcoin "investing" comes from selling it to another human for more than you bought it for. They're digital Beanie Babies.

Real investments have a return derived from capital. A house, for example, can be rented out for money. Or a business can earn profit and distribute it to its shareholders. You can try to buy and sell houses like people did during the RE bubble for profit, or try to buy and sell stocks like a day trader, but these are still fundamentally different from an "asset" which has no means by which to generate a return on its own.

Re:Bitcoin ‘More Than Just a Fad,’ Morgan Stanley CEO Says by mcjiggerlog on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @12:17PM (#15349291)
> Real investments have a return derived from capital. A house, for example, can be rented out for money.

You can buy goods and services with Bitcoin. It's just another currency. Do people claim that forex is not investing?

Re:Bitcoin ‘More Than Just a Fad,’ Morgan Stanley CEO Says by RyanCavanaugh on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @12:45PM (#15349627)
> Do people claim that forex is not investing?

Yes, all the time. It's clearly speculation (in the technical sense)

Re:Bitcoin ‘More Than Just a Fad,’ Morgan Stanley CEO Says by root_axis on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @12:31PM (#15349451)
> You can buy goods and services with Bitcoin. It's just another currency.

Not really though. You can buy a few novelties online and there are a handful of places that accept bitcoin, but realistically it is not "just another currency", it's an IOU for usable money.

Re:Bitcoin ‘More Than Just a Fad,’ Morgan Stanley CEO Says by notahacker on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @12:42PM (#15349598)
Forex trading is certainly more speculation (or hedging) than investment
Re:Bitcoin ‘More Than Just a Fad,’ Morgan Stanley CEO Says by nwah1 on Wednesday September 27, 2017 @02:04PM (#15350532)
Very true. The correct term is speculation.