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Re:The Montreal Protocol was a landmark environmental success by ars on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @12:34PM (#15340228)
> It literally said "people aren't changing behavior because you're making them feel guilty".

No it did not. It said "stop using guilt to try to change behavior".

People hate that, and it turned this subject in a political issue (which it should never have become) instead of the engineering issue it should have been.

Re:The Montreal Protocol was a landmark environmental success by mrkurt on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @12:41PM (#15340308)
> All in order to make people feel guilty and thereby get people to reduce their usage. Once that happened there was a backlash, that backlash needed a target and the science was chosen.

Guilt -> backlash -> people reject science. That sounds an awful lot like you're saying science would drive progress but people aren't changing behavior because "you're" making them feel guilty.

It's not _just_ an engineering issue, but if you believe it is why on earth are you contributing to the politics?