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Re:Why did science fiction stop moving forward? by busterarm on Monday September 25, 2017 @03:38PM (#15333378)
I never really agreed with this tacit assumption everyone makes that ST was this super-progressive show.

If you're really paying attention, and with the exception of DS-9, almost all of the heroes are white and educated (or their sidekicks) and all the villains are dark and barbaric. Seems straight up racist to me.

Re:Why did science fiction stop moving forward? by eesmith on Monday September 25, 2017 @03:55PM (#15333546)
Points which are raised in the article, at least somewhat:

> yes, there was diversity on the bridge, but not that much of it, not really. Uhuru was a service worker and Worf was a punching bag; when the show made a black captain, was it a coincidence that the show also became “darker” and less optimistic, when its characters started to be “flawed” and “ambiguous”? Voyager had a female captain, but it marooned her to the farthest reaches of the galaxy (and the less said about the garbage politics of the reboot movies, the better). But the point is this: Star Trek has always wanted to be more progressive than it ever really managed to be, because it wanted its cake and also to eat it. The future was a human race that had perfected itself, but which also felt comfortable—for white men—because not so much had changed. We were still in charge.

Re:Why did science fiction stop moving forward? by metaphorm on Monday September 25, 2017 @04:45PM (#15333970)
Romulans are emphatically not dark and barbaric, they're "evil" Vulcans, and aesthetically modeled on various European Imperial iconographies with lots of Eagle/raptor symbolism. Ancient Roman (it's in the name already) or even 20th century Fascist seems like the reference points.

The Cardashians seem to be based on Totalitarian Communist regimes. They have grey skin, which isn't dark, but is also not a human skintone anyway, but they seem to map most closely to Russian/Stalinist. Not dark or barbaric by any means.

The Borg seem to be a comment on Western technocracy run-amok. I have trouble seeing the Borg as anything besides a cautionary warning against tech singularity ideology. If you submit your culture to the logic of machines don't be surprised when it becomes mechanical and inhumane.

There are dark and barbaric trek villains too, of course. The Jem'Hadar shock troopers seem like a particularly charged take on the trope, being essentially militarized slaves. Interesting, though, that the Jem'Hadar were controlled by a very white technocratic Vorta. Maybe a reference to historical practices like the Ottoman Jannisaries. What should we make of the non-humanoid shapeshifter "founders" though? Pure scifi or allegory for the formless, faceless, secretive domination of neoliberal capitalist interests acting in the shadows?

The Ferengi are dark skinned and despicable, with more than a hint of "Shylock" flavored bigotry incorporated into the trope. Kinda unfortunate. They did significantly redeem this trope in later DS9 episodes when they focused more on Quark and showed some of the more nuanced and interesting aspects of Ferengi culture.

And then there's the Klingons. This one is hard to put a finger on. They were originally introduced as space barbarians with a swarthy (but not black) complexion. I think the original model there was intended to be something like Barbary Corsairs, which is kind of a racist trope I guess. The Klingons were updated a lot though. The more mature portrayals of Klingons had them as an honor society that resembles Samurai culture in a lot of ways, while also incorporating a kind of hedonistic body culture that is very un-Japanese. It's not so simple really. What about now? Klingons made less human-seeming and more cartoon villain seeming? Not sure where they're going with this.

Re:Why did science fiction stop moving forward? by busterarm on Monday September 25, 2017 @07:52PM (#15335122)
They look different than us and follow different societal norms, right?

Forest. Trees.

Re:Why did science fiction stop moving forward? by maxerickson on Monday September 25, 2017 @11:38PM (#15335945)
The giant space crystal was just hungry.
Re:Why did science fiction stop moving forward? by busterarm on Monday September 25, 2017 @11:00PM (#15335809)
Moreover: you know how someone is going to behave...because of their race.

ST is the most racist show ever.

Re:Why did science fiction stop moving forward? by eesmith on Tuesday September 26, 2017 @03:13AM (#15336787)
Racist? Absolutely, both in its portrayal of humans and the narrow biological determinism often (but not universally) assigned to aliens.

But "most racist"? More than, Amos ‘n Andy, Tom and Jerry, or the Looney Tunes cartoons - three shows which often top the lists of most racist shows?

I disagree.