Thank you for explaining. I disagree, but then, I started with the Commodore 64 and BASIC, and have missed them ever since. C and LISP version 1 sort of fit in the same space. I hate any language that hides the machine from me. Also don't really like clicky gooey stuff. Text and typing is where it is at. Matter of taste really. But newLISP is a good mix of hardware access with safety.