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Re:X and NeWS history by kweinber on Sunday September 24, 2017 @03:23PM (#15326066)
This is also an important example of how limiting an anti-social attitude can be when trying to collaborate and have a large affect on the world. As brilliant as Jon is, he wasted an inordinate amount of time making up for constantly insulting people, places, and approaches. (Even today he couldn't avoid insulting all of Tulsa OK).

Imagine where windowing systems could be if his brilliant work, API thoughts, and insights weren't delivered with insults, arrogance and vitriol.

At the end it is sad that he was proud of being right even though he was an _hole (his word). It could have been that he was right and his best ideas were in common use.

Re:X and NeWS history by akira2501 on Sunday September 24, 2017 @10:08PM (#15327628)
> how limiting an anti-social attitude can be when trying to collaborate

There are those of us who see collaboration as orthogonal to innovation and thus don't put any effort into it. Fortunately, there's a good mix of talent and dispositions out there to make up for it.

> Imagine where windowing systems could be if his brilliant work, API thoughts, and insights weren't delivered with insults, arrogance and vitriol.

Imagine a world where everyone is the same and has the same set of values. That may seem like paradise to some, but it sounds like doom to me.

> At the end it is sad that he was proud of being right

He was proud that he didn't compromise, even though that would've been easier, and no one would've faulted him for it.

Re:X and NeWS history by kpxxx on Monday September 25, 2017 @03:19AM (#15328580)
Imagine if the creator of the ideal windowing system wasn't aborted in the 1960s.
Re:X and NeWS history by MycroftJones on Sunday September 24, 2017 @05:00PM (#15326476)
I didn't realize people were so sensitive in the field. Compared to Linus, Theo de Raadt, Richard Stallman, etc, Jon seemed to be cruising at a comfortable level of Germanic straight-forward truth-telling, no real aholishness I could detect. Guess I should reset my etiquette and politeness filters.
Re:X and NeWS history by kweinber on Sunday September 24, 2017 @10:02PM (#15327605)
People are sensitive in every field. Even if they weren't, there is very little to be gained by needlessly insulting them.

Working hard to build great stuff and arguing/fighting for what is right can be forceful without being debasing, divisive, or insulting.

Re:X and NeWS history by adrianratnapala on Sunday September 24, 2017 @09:54PM (#15327562)
I note that the people you name all built their communities through work they did well outside the corporate world.
Re:X and NeWS history by digi_owl on Sunday September 24, 2017 @11:44PM (#15327928)
And at least two of them have a undeserved reputation.
Re:X and NeWS history by MycroftJones on Monday September 25, 2017 @12:04AM (#15327992)
You mean Theo and Linus? Yes.
Re:X and NeWS history by rbanffy on Monday September 25, 2017 @03:17PM (#15333194)
Theo's reputation is very well deserved.