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Re:Duck Duck Go: Illusion of Privacy (2013) by jacquesm on Saturday September 23, 2017 @06:39PM (#15322167)
Tor is far from perfect and there are several ways in which one could connect traffic at some endpoint with a user at a specific IP. Do not rely on Tor if you really want anonymity.
Re:Duck Duck Go: Illusion of Privacy (2013) by jerheinze on Sunday September 24, 2017 @05:35AM (#15324073)
> Tor is far from perfect

No one made such claim, not even the Tor Project themselves.

> and there are several ways in which one could connect traffic at some endpoint with a user at a specific IP.

DDG traffic is e2e encrypted especially if you use their onion service since it wont use exit nodes, the best they can know is that someone did some unknown search on DDG.

> Do not rely on Tor if you really want anonymity.

Tor is the best solution low-latency anonymity system currently.

Re:Duck Duck Go: Illusion of Privacy (2013) by wolco on Saturday September 23, 2017 @06:47PM (#15322203)
Tor offers a layer of protection. It is possible to stay anon on Tor.
Re:Duck Duck Go: Illusion of Privacy (2013) by jacquesm on Saturday September 23, 2017 @06:55PM (#15322227)
> It is possible to stay anon on Tor.

That is an extremely dangerous statement to make and one I do not agree with.

Keep in mind that:

- you will have to trust that a large chunk of the nodes is not in the hands of someone that you count as your enemy

- that even if your enemy is not in charge of a substantial part of the network they may still be monitoring entry and egress and that that alone can be enough to figure out who is talking to who

- that any data present at egress that can be intercepted might still reveal who you are

So no, Tor is not 100% secure and it is very well possible that even if you use Tor your identity will be connected with some activity or even all of your activity while using the network.

Re:Duck Duck Go: Illusion of Privacy (2013) by fish_fan on Saturday September 23, 2017 @07:01PM (#15322240)
You didn't actually disagree with your parent comment. It is possible to be anonymous on TOR. It does not come for free.
Re:Duck Duck Go: Illusion of Privacy (2013) by jacquesm on Saturday September 23, 2017 @07:15PM (#15322296)
Well, if you want to trust your anonymity to luck or not being monitored then yes, you can be anonymous on Tor. But that's little comfort. It's possible to cross a highway blindfolded too. But it isn't smart to do so and it is even less smart to assume that it will always work just because you can't see the danger with your silly blindfold on.
Re:Duck Duck Go: Illusion of Privacy (2013) by fish_fan on Saturday September 23, 2017 @07:28PM (#15322346)
Thankfully, none of your assumptions are true if you consider TOR one part of anonymity as your parent comment did.

Not to mention, you conspicuously avoid comparing degrees of anonymity. Obviously TOR is better than SSL, which doesn't provide any anonymity.

Re:Duck Duck Go: Illusion of Privacy (2013) by ZenoArrow on Sunday September 24, 2017 @06:27AM (#15324186)
If you use Tor as part of a group of privacy measures then you can protect your privacy online, but it's useful to know what the potential weaknesses of Tor are so you know what other measures to take.
Re:Duck Duck Go: Illusion of Privacy (2013) by jerheinze on Sunday September 24, 2017 @05:48AM (#15324100)
> you will have to trust that a large chunk of the nodes is not in the hands of someone that you count as your enemy

Why not run your own guard node or even an obfuscated brige and then connect to it? That way you can make sure that no one will do traffic correlation (except, of course, a global adversary) since that would require controlling both the guard node and the exit used in the circuit (which changes every 10min, and in the Tor Browser you get a new circuit for each website).

> that even if your enemy is not in charge of a substantial part of the network they may still be monitoring entry and egress and that that alone can be enough to figure out who is talking to who

That's not possible in practice, quoting from the Tor Browser design documentation [1]:

> In the case of this attack, the key factors that increase the classification complexity (and thus hinder a real world adversary who attempts this attack) are large numbers of dynamically generated pages, partially cached content, and also the non-web activity of the entire Tor network. This yields an effective number of "web pages" many orders of magnitude larger than even Panchenko's "Open World" scenario, which suffered continuous near-constant decline in the true positive rate as the "Open World" size grew (see figure 4). This large level of classification complexity is further confounded by a noisy and low resolution featureset - one which is also relatively easy for the defender to manipulate at low cost.

> To make matters worse for a real-world adversary, the ocean of Tor Internet activity (at least, when compared to a lab setting) makes it a certainty that an adversary attempting examine large amounts of Tor traffic will ultimately be overwhelmed by false positives (even after making heavy tradeoffs on the ROC curve to minimize false positives to below 0.01%). This problem is known in the IDS literature as the Base Rate Fallacy, and it is the primary reason that anomaly and activity classification-based IDS and antivirus systems have failed to materialize in the marketplace (despite early success in academic literature).

> Still, we do not believe that these issues are enough to dismiss the attack outright. But we do believe these factors make it both worthwhile and effective to deploy light-weight defenses that reduce the accuracy of this attack by further contributing noise to hinder successful feature extraction.

And just recently netflow padding has been added to Tor 0.3.1.x.[2]

> So no, Tor is not 100% secure and it is very well possible that even if you use Tor your identity will be connected with some activity or even all of your activity while using the network.

That still doesn't disprove the fact that Tor is the best low-latency anonymity system and that not using Tor is much much worse than using it.

[1] : https://www.torproject.org/projects/torbrowser/design/

[2] : https://bugs.torproject.org/16861