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Re:Economic and Academic Consequences of Fraternity Membership by sbge on Friday September 22, 2017 @06:33PM (#15316502)
Or Alpha males have greater tendency to join frats and to progress into leadership and push for greater pay...

Why claim causal link here?

Re:Economic and Academic Consequences of Fraternity Membership by roywiggins on Friday September 22, 2017 @06:39PM (#15316548)
From the paper:

> In this paper, we identify the causal effect of fraternity membership on college grades and future income levels by exploiting time variation in the college’s social and residential environment. We use the presence of theme houses and non-Greek social houses and the presence of female students on campus, all of which may affect students’ choices bout whether to join a Greek organization, as instruments or reek membership.These changes allow us to identify shifts in he probability of fraternity membership that are plausibly exogenous and, thereby, to estimate the impact of fraternity membership on an individual’s academic and economic performance. We include controls for student human and social capital endowments to alleviate concerns that the policy changes that generate our instruments may have altered the composition of the student body. An additional advantage of using these instruments is that they are clearly choice variables from the perspective of the college administration.

Re:Economic and Academic Consequences of Fraternity Membership by hueving on Friday September 22, 2017 @06:59PM (#15316692)
They claim they identify causality but I don't see how that's possible based on what's written here. The presence (or lack thereof) of frats is going to change the applicant pool to begin with. And once they are present, there are going to be differences between who applies to be in a frat and who doesn't.
Re:Economic and Academic Consequences of Fraternity Membership by maxerickson on Friday September 22, 2017 @06:34PM (#15316508)
Why claim "Alpha" exist?

Before getting too up in arms it's probably worthwhile to see what the actual paper claims.

Re:Economic and Academic Consequences of Fraternity Membership by solotronics on Friday September 22, 2017 @06:38PM (#15316534)
lol
Re:Economic and Academic Consequences of Fraternity Membership by sbge on Friday September 22, 2017 @06:35PM (#15316514)
err, what?
Re:Economic and Academic Consequences of Fraternity Membership by bagels on Friday September 22, 2017 @06:37PM (#15316528)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alpha_(ethology)#Controversy

"Researcher L. David Mech, one of the primary creators of the Alpha male hypothesis for wolves, later found additional evidence that the concept of an Alpha male may have been an erroneous interpretation of incomplete data and formally disavowed this terminology in 1999. He explained that it was heavily based on the behavior of captive packs consisting of unrelated individuals, an error reflecting the once prevailing view that wild pack formation occurred in winter among independent gray wolves. Later research on wild gray wolves revealed that the pack is usually a family consisting of a breeding pair and its offspring of the previous 1–3 years.[16]

Researcher M.W. Foster investigated primates and found that the leaders were more likely to be those who did more for those around them instead of being determined by strength. [17]

In humans, the concept of an alpha male was challenged as being largely nonexist as per an article by Dean Burnett, who found that human leadership roles vary wildly based on the current social context, and traits attributed to an "Alpha" might be exhibited in one scenario, and traits attributed to a "Beta" might be exhibited in a different scenario by the same individual. [18]"

Re:Economic and Academic Consequences of Fraternity Membership by Clubber on Friday September 22, 2017 @06:53PM (#15316640)
My kid likes the show "Adam Ruins Everything," which is a myth debunking show. He went over the same things you just stated. The concept of "Alpha male" was all hype that just stuck.
Re:Economic and Academic Consequences of Fraternity Membership by Retric on Friday September 22, 2017 @06:43PM (#15316576)
Alpha, Beta, Omega etc is commonly used by primate researchers and thus is far more relevant for human behavior.

Wolf behavior is mostly irrelevant in that context.

Re:Economic and Academic Consequences of Fraternity Membership by matthewowen on Friday September 22, 2017 @06:40PM (#15316554)
Look at the article. Even just the abstract. It claims that changes at Northwestern's campus meant that a type of student who previously didn't join frats started to join frats.

By looking at those students, you attempt to control for "interest in joining a frat" as a variable, and look at the outcomes for people with equivalent interest who either did or did not join a frat.

Re:Economic and Academic Consequences of Fraternity Membership by bitwize on Friday September 22, 2017 @06:38PM (#15316540)
The researcher who coined the term "alpha male" for wolves later rescinded any claim to the term's validity. Turned out he was studying "packs" of random wolves kept in captivity, and the "fights for dominance" were actually territorial disputes between unrelated wolves. Packs in the wild consist of an elder mated pair and their adult children. So in the wild, "alpha wolf" is more like "grandpa or grandma wolf".
Re:Economic and Academic Consequences of Fraternity Membership by EliRivers on Friday September 22, 2017 @06:39PM (#15316541)
He's disputing the belief that there is such a thing as an "alpha" male type, outside and beyond the circular definition that anyone who is a "winner" in life is an alpha male; I suspect the belief that this is real is (rightly or wrongly) so thoroughly embedded that people don't notice themselves believing in it without having checked the evidence.
Re:Economic and Academic Consequences of Fraternity Membership by wickawic on Friday September 22, 2017 @06:43PM (#15316583)
It is slightly strange. The related concept of 'type A' vs 'type B' personalities is useful (even if not backed by science) to bucket people based on their general behavior. But only with men do we take that single step further and say that the 'type A'-ness is actually an intrinsic property of their being instead of just a way they behave.
Re:Economic and Academic Consequences of Fraternity Membership by Clubber on Friday September 22, 2017 @06:54PM (#15316649)
Myers-Briggs is total BS as well.
Re:Economic and Academic Consequences of Fraternity Membership by lotyrin on Friday September 22, 2017 @06:38PM (#15316539)
What evidence do you have that a category "Alpha" exists and can be used to make generalized statements about behavior?
Re:Economic and Academic Consequences of Fraternity Membership by notadoc on Friday September 22, 2017 @07:21PM (#15316827)
Presumably they are referencing the animal kingdom.
Re:Economic and Academic Consequences of Fraternity Membership by akovaski on Friday September 22, 2017 @06:41PM (#15316558)
Agreed (not necessarily on the alpha male bit), I don't see how they can claim a causal link with just survey data. Correlation, sure, but even that's questionable with self-reported data.
Re:Economic and Academic Consequences of Fraternity Membership by flachsechs on Friday September 22, 2017 @06:56PM (#15316666)
i knew plenty of non-alpha types in frats. lots of fairly nerdy guys, in fact. it's more about coming from a wealthy family that recognizes the value in such things.

very few people played a college-level sport and were in frats, for example.