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Re:New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains by wickawic on Friday September 22, 2017 @04:40PM (#15315597)
I'm sure that it is much more complicated than this, but I wonder how long the virus can remain immune to all previous '99%' cures? Maybe eventually we could come up with enough of these and then administer them all at once.
Re:New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains by chimeracoder on Friday September 22, 2017 @06:49PM (#15316617)
> I'm sure that it is much more complicated than this, but I wonder how long the virus can remain immune to all previous '99%' cures? Maybe eventually we could come up with enough of these and then administer them all at once.

That's basically what HAART (the technique we've used to treat HIV successfully for the last 25 years) is. People take three antiretrovirals simultaneously. They're designed such that, for the virus to adapt to one, it has to make itself more susceptible to one of the other two.

Re:New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains by hn_throwaway_99 on Friday September 22, 2017 @07:47PM (#15316984)
> They're designed such that, for the virus to adapt to one, it has to make itself more susceptible to one of the other two.

That's not really accurate. HAART works because the 3 drugs are taken simultaneously, and it's extremely unlikely for a virus to get random mutations that confer resistance to all three in one generation.

Re:New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains by chimeracoder on Saturday September 23, 2017 @12:53AM (#15318184)
> That's not really accurate. HAART works because the 3 drugs are taken simultaneously, and it's extremely unlikely for a virus to get random mutations that confer resistance to all three in one generation.

That is literally exactly what I said. The drugs are taken simultaneously, and it is very difficult to develop resistance to all three simultaneously, because becoming more resistant to one means becoming more susceptible to another.

Re:New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains by hn_throwaway_99 on Saturday September 23, 2017 @10:40AM (#15319934)
Not sure if it's just miscommunication, or you misunderstand how HAART works, because you said "That is literally exactly what I said", and then in your next sentence repeat the statement that is false, "becoming more resistant to one means becoming more susceptible to another."

For example, suppose you take ATripla, which is a combination of efavirenz, emtricitabine, and tenofovir. If a viral particle has a random mutation that confers resistance to, say, efavirenz, that mutation does not make the virus more susceptible to emtricabine or tenofovir. The fact is the virus was already susceptible to those two drugs (that's why you take tests that specify your viral strain's pre-existing resistances to determine the best drugs for you before you start HAART), so it still is unable to replicate.

It's just a matter of statistics, not that resistance-granting mutations naturally make the virus more susceptible to other drugs.

Re:New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains by carlisle_ on Friday September 22, 2017 @04:49PM (#15315676)
I believe that's actually somewhat how AIDs treatments have worked. I'm not sure if all are like that but it's pretty much the exact logic.
Re:New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains by esm on Friday September 22, 2017 @05:46PM (#15316137)
Yep. Triple therapy is now standard in HIV treatment. The odds of developing mutations to 2-3 agents simultaneously are very low
Re:New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains by skygazer on Friday September 22, 2017 @06:14PM (#15316376)
When I was a teenager, I wrote a connect four game, and my brother would play it. Every time he'd win, I'd jump back into the code. I realized it was a fruitless cat and mouse (not only because the game is trivial) but because of the pacing of my "fixes" -- if I could have had the final version completed before he first played, he might have been stymied, but the iterations seemed to give him an easy path -- he only needed to solve one problem at a time.
Re:New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains by bjterry on Friday September 22, 2017 @09:42PM (#15317532)
Why don't we deliver all antibiotics as a triple? Wouldn't that eliminate antiobiotic resistance?
Re:New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains by DrScump on Saturday September 23, 2017 @12:52AM (#15318181)
Antibiotics kill bacteria, not viruses. And that includes desired strains.
Re:New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains by c3534l on Friday September 22, 2017 @05:00PM (#15315756)
Probably for longer than we can keep coming up with chemicals that selectively kill it. After all, if we're not killed by the chemical, then that means it's possible to survive it.
Re:New antibody attacks 99% of HIV strains by fghvbnvbnfe on Friday September 22, 2017 @05:44PM (#15316122)
That's not really a meaningful argument. You're talking about a large multi-cellular organism that has tissues, organs, and all that and comparing it to something that doesn't even have cells.