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Re:Super-Accurate GPS Chips Coming to Smartphones in 2018 by throwaway613834 on Friday September 22, 2017 @02:43AM (#15309900)
How do these folks do the math? Do they understand general relativity? Or do they just pull the equations from somewhere?
Re:Super-Accurate GPS Chips Coming to Smartphones in 2018 by cnvogel on Friday September 22, 2017 @03:24AM (#15310068)
There is no general relativity involved in calculating your position. Solving for your position is basic geometry, if you want to have better resolution, have good model for the effects of the atmosphere on the radio waves.

http://www.aholme.co.uk/GPS/user_position_solution.pdf

Re:Super-Accurate GPS Chips Coming to Smartphones in 2018 by c517402 on Friday September 22, 2017 @04:05AM (#15310216)
In "Exploring Black Holes" by Taylor & Wheeler, project A is titled 'Global Positioning System', where they say locating your position accurately depends crucially on General Relativity.
Re:Super-Accurate GPS Chips Coming to Smartphones in 2018 by michaelt on Friday September 22, 2017 @04:39AM (#15310338)
Before the satellites are launched, their atomic clocks have to be tuned to offset for time dilation.

GPS satellites are all tuned this way, and it has the desired effect.

However, for people implementing GPS receivers, the signal arrives already corrected for time dilation. So the people making that part of the system don't have to know about general relativity at all :)

Re:Super-Accurate GPS Chips Coming to Smartphones in 2018 by throwaway613834 on Friday September 22, 2017 @03:57AM (#15310182)
Huh, is the whole thing a myth then? I'd definitely read that GR is necessary, but now that I'm searching I see mentions of it being a myth.
Re:Super-Accurate GPS Chips Coming to Smartphones in 2018 by dingaling on Friday September 22, 2017 @04:24AM (#15310285)
I remember this question arising on HN about a year ago. GR is a necessary consideration in the design of the satellite system.

See page 5 of DTIC document: Relativistic Effects in the Global Positioning System

http://www.dtic.mil/dtic/tr/fulltext/u2/a158720.pdf

Without correction the drift due to combined coarse relativistic effects would be on the order of 100,000 nanoseconds per DAY.

In fact the first NTS-2 satellite was launched with the clock unadjusted for GR, due to doubters, but after three weeks the syntheziser had to be activated to compensate. The calculated uncorrected drift on that clock alone was 38,000 nanoseconds per day.

As the document notes, to further refine Navstar to greater levels of precision would require tackling yet another set of tougher relativistic effects, plus more mundane atmospheric influences.

Re:Super-Accurate GPS Chips Coming to Smartphones in 2018 by extempo on Friday September 22, 2017 @04:58AM (#15310403)
GPS, Relativity, and pop-Science Mythology http://www.alternativephysics.org/book/GPSmythology.htm