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Re:The tech sec­tor might be evil by mirimir on Thursday September 21, 2017 @04:00AM (#15301364)
Soldiers typically have a duty to refuse immoral orders.
Re:The tech sec­tor might be evil by KGIII on Thursday September 21, 2017 @04:03AM (#15301386)
And what if the soldier was never given immoral orders but was a simple cook who fed those who carried out the orders?

I know what you're saying, but that's why I listed all those example questions. I listed them to show there are various levels of culpability and various levels of evil.

Where you draw the line is a personal thing and I'm not qualified to suggest where you draw it on an individual level.

Re:The tech sec­tor might be evil by zAy0LfpBZLC8mAC on Thursday September 21, 2017 @06:21AM (#15302010)
Really, the important question is: What realistic chance did they have to not contribute without killing themselves? I guess one can argue about whether people should also be required to kill themselves to prevent evil, but that certainly is a good minimum.
Re:The tech sec­tor might be evil by taway_1212 on Thursday September 21, 2017 @04:15AM (#15301449)
A duty to whom? In most armies and wars, insisting to refuse an order, moral or not, will get you in front of a firing squad (or, if it's a really civilized army, in jail).
Re:The tech sec­tor might be evil by ionised on Thursday September 21, 2017 @05:31AM (#15301821)
The allied powers collectively decided that I was just following orders was not a credible defence of anything during the Nuremberg trials.
Re:The tech sec­tor might be evil by taway_1212 on Thursday September 21, 2017 @06:16AM (#15301990)
I kind of see their point - under this defense, the only person you could really convict would be Hitler (everybody else was following orders). I'm guessing the logic here is that if you were for example a commander a Nazi death squad that was doing mass murders of Jews in Eastern Poland, then yeah, you were following orders, but you could have also asked to be transferred to something else.

I'm not sure this logic would hold for Soviet genocides though (not that they were tried at Nuremberg), as I suspect a hint of hestitation from say NKWD commander would probably result in him being promptly sent to Gulag to die. During Stalin's rule, pretty much everybody was operating with a gun to their heads at all times.

Re:The tech sec­tor might be evil by ionised on Thursday September 21, 2017 @11:55AM (#15304723)
I think the logic during the trials was that even if disobeying orders meant punishment such as torture or death, that was preferable to committing the crimes for which they were standing trial.

As in, your potential death or suffering at the hands of your superiors is also not a credible defence for what you did.

That obviously makes a lot more sense in the context of war crimes and crimes against humanity though.

Re:The tech sec­tor might be evil by mirimir on Thursday September 21, 2017 @04:28AM (#15301509)
Well, it does depend on the army, I admit. And "immoral" was probably not a good term. More like "an order that seems to violate policy". But following illicit orders can also get you in trouble.
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Re:The tech sec­tor might be evil by mirimir on Thursday September 21, 2017 @04:32AM (#15301530)
Yes, "immoral" was a bad way to put it. There are typically rules about questioning orders. They're redefinable too, of course. But much of it links to the Geneva Conventions, which are quite stable.