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Re:Bootstrapping Urbit from Ethereum by tptacek on Thursday September 21, 2017 @12:08AM (#15300533)
The problem I think a lot of people have with this system is that they agree with you: the underlying concept of an overlay network with abstracted addressing and an embedded programming language VM is straightforward, and may indeed be useful. Since all the core technological ideas in this system are simple enough to be undergraduate projects, why not just wait until someone builds one out of conventional components?

You get the irony of complaining about how every competing design has had to "reinvent several wheels", right? The system you're advocating reinvented ASCII.

Re:Bootstrapping Urbit from Ethereum by chc4 on Thursday September 21, 2017 @01:08AM (#15300744)
My dude, how can you read code out loud and not understand the draw of having single-syllabul names for all the weird characters in ASCII. I don't have many of them, but this is a hill I will die on even if Urbit falls off the internet tomorrow. Luckily, you don't /actually/ have to memorize those. They aren't used if you aren't saying runes out loud.

There's a difference between reinventing ten wheels ten different ways for ten apps, and reinventing one really big wheel. It has to be self-contained enough that other apps can use it without having to roll their own anything, so all of them has the same API.

One of the problems with "just use a different P2P VM" is that it probably wouldn't solve the problem of having a server your mother could use. You'd probably still have to install and setup Apache and MySQL and ElasticSearch and whatever, even if someone implements the perfect transport protocol and platform. For Urbit you just run it, which can be hidden behind a pretty "click to start" button that pings our to AWS. Hence, one big wheel.

If you do see an Urbit-like project that has the same goals, I would be ecstatic to hear about it though. I've basically had "urbit but different" on my TODO list since I first saw about it.

Re:Bootstrapping Urbit from Ethereum by munin on Thursday September 21, 2017 @12:19AM (#15300564)
I think urbit started out as a pomo critique of modern academia and tech, with heavy jargon and wheel rebuilding. Then, some other people started taking it seriously. I’m not sure if that is the best or worst outcome for this kind of joke.
Re:Bootstrapping Urbit from Ethereum by jolux on Thursday September 21, 2017 @12:46AM (#15300667)
Moldbug hates pomo though. Pretty sure the dude doesn't read anything that was written after the year 1900.
Re:Bootstrapping Urbit from Ethereum by munin on Thursday September 21, 2017 @09:35AM (#15303178)
Don't you know, the Moldbug persona is separate from the persona that develops Urbit!
Re:Bootstrapping Urbit from Ethereum by jolux on Thursday September 21, 2017 @11:48AM (#15304630)
What the heck is that supposed to mean? "Persona?" Fine, Curtis Yarvin has said that he only reads old books.
Re:Bootstrapping Urbit from Ethereum by munin on Thursday September 21, 2017 @02:06PM (#15305985)
It was a joke, when Curtis was dis-invited from speaking at a conference due to writings he made as Moldbug, the argument he made was that the Moldbug persona and the Urbit developer Curtis Yarvin are separate so there was no problem or worry about Curtis saying wacky racist things during his presentation about Urbit, because the person that says wacky racist things was Moldbug, who was not invited, therefore would not be coming.
Re:Bootstrapping Urbit from Ethereum by Karunamon on Thursday September 21, 2017 @09:31AM (#15303115)
Sorry, Pomo? Can’t get a good definition via the googles.
Re:Bootstrapping Urbit from Ethereum by grzm on Thursday September 21, 2017 @09:43AM (#15303266)
Post modernism
Re:Bootstrapping Urbit from Ethereum by jacobush on Friday September 22, 2017 @06:21PM (#15316419)
That is so pomo.