Spanish police doing an intervention in Fundació puntCAT office

Re:Spanish police doing an intervention in Fundació puntCAT ... by hectorlorenzo on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @08:16AM (#15292840)

You have to consider the circumstances under which the Spanish Constitution was written. Franco had died, and after years of dictatorship and repression, the government was afraid of exactly this: separatism.

So I guess that as a concession to the still strong fascist powers, the Constitution stated that is a crime to attempt to break the "the indissoluble unity of the Spanish nation".

This doesn't make sense in the 21st century, I think, but that's the way it is.

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Re:Spanish police doing an intervention in Fundació puntCAT ... by notspanishflu on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @08:31AM (#15292967)

Please, don't try to rewrite History.

The Spanish Constitution is based in a very broad agreement, from Communists to the Far-Right Wing.

Then that agreement (the Constitution) was voted by all the Spanish People and received an immense support.

See the table here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_constitutional_referen...

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Re:Spanish police doing an intervention in Fundació puntCAT ... by occamrazor on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @09:02AM (#15293252)

I don't see a contradiction with GP post. As part of this broad agreement, the right and center-right forces request of indivisibility of Spain was included in the Constitution.

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Re:Spanish police doing an intervention in Fundació puntCAT ... by notspanishflu on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @01:18PM (#15296109)

After Franco death, the first party to win a free election, and by majority, was a center party (UCD).

Every major party wanted indivisibility of Spain, including the PCE or Communist Party of Spain.

So please don't try to sell the territorial indivisibility as a right or center-right thing.

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Re:Spanish police doing an intervention in Fundació puntCAT ... by arximboldi on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @08:54AM (#15293168)

The Spanish people voted yes to democracy, not to the constitution. The communist party supported it because it feared continuing to be illegal otherwise, and it is an issue that still causes them a lot of division.

My generation did not vote for the constitution, and many of us dislike it. I agree that it is a conservative constitution made out of fear, with a flawed electoral system, a king, etc. The same fear that the party in power, lineage of the dictators, uses to address our aging population.

"Mejor malo conocido que bueno por conocer" (Better a known bad than the good that is jet to be known) is the worst Spanish saying.

I am Andalusian and pro-referendum.

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Re:Spanish police doing an intervention in Fundació puntCAT ... by narag on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @09:11AM (#15293320)

The Spanish people voted yes to democracy, not to the constitution.

Please don't spread misinformation.

You're confusing the referendum for politic reform of 1976 with the constitution of 1978. BOTH were voted in national referendum by free, direct and secret vote.

If you were suggesting that people didn't vote freely because fear, you are wrong.

My generation did not vote for the constitution, and many of us dislike it.

That's OK. There are, in the constitution itself a sort of ways to ammend it. If you have enough votes, you can do mostly everything.

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Re:Spanish police doing an intervention in Fundació puntCAT ... by narag on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @08:20AM (#15292880)

Guess what part of Spain voted massively yes to the current constitution.

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