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Re:Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota... by curun1r on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @03:13AM (#15291440)
I think you're missing the point of people saying that they want CarPlay/Android Auto. People don't want another system, they want another set of controls, screen, speakers and charging dock for their smartphone. They already have an intimate relationship with their phone. Phones are addictive. It's where people get their dopamine rushes from social media, sms and games. You can't compete with that. Even if someone is driving many, many hours per day, their relationship with their car will never be as strong as it is with their phone, despite the fact that they've paid more than 20x for the car. The more you try to compete with those systems on a feature-by-feature basis and try to impose your brand, the more you're going to lose. The more you design your system to be a natural extension of their phone, with as much looking and feeling like the phone's interface as possible, the more well received it will be. CarPlay and Android Auto are the easy answer to making it as similar as possible.

Trying to understand the issue from a technical or UX perspective is going to lead to a whole lot of failure. You need to understand the psychology. And what auto manufacturers resisting CarPlay and Android Auto are doing is akin to hitting on people in a committed relationship. It makes them angry and want to reject you, not dump their significant other. Accept that you'll never be more than friends and build the best platonic relationship you can, no matter how much you want them to love you.

Re:Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota... by DKnoll on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @03:30AM (#15291516)
>Even if someone is driving many, many hours per day, their relationship with their car will never be as strong as it is with their phone, despite the fact that they've paid more than 20x for the car.

I have paid much less than 20x more for my car and I care about it significantly more than my phone. If I had to choose between the two it would easily be my car. I also enjoy operating my vehicle much more than my phone. I think most would agree, although maybe not in the niche audience of HN comments.

Re:Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota... by deepGem on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @04:43AM (#15291771)
I have similar affiliations with my car for which I paid far less than 10K. I can feel the horsepower in my car, but I can't feel the horsepower in my phone.
Re:Automotive Grade Linux Platform Debuts on the 2018 Toyota... by naibafo on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @07:26AM (#15292523)
Most might agree, but you still need it to work without a phone with good interface and all the desired features.

Still not everybody has a smartphone. Or you have an older one and whatever software you need for the car isn't supported. Or you give the phone to the kid in the backseat to play a game...

And then having two very different ways to control stuff increases complexity. For developers and user.