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Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by extrapickles on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @12:37AM (#15290893)
Most of the northern states don't have much sunlight and have cheap enough power to make it not worth it.
Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by fastbeef on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @01:12AM (#15291012)
A common misconception. Even in northern Sweden, which is above the arctic circle, you can still generate ~80% of the energy that Southern Europe generates.
Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by shandor on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @01:22AM (#15291038)
This is fascinating if true. Do you gave any sources, I'd be really interested in reading more on the matter.
Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by bjelkeman-again on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @01:46AM (#15291122)
This gives a good overview. What people miss is that during the summer the sun is up all the time. (In the winter, not so much.) And average cloud cover is also accounted for.

http://re.jrc.ec.europa.eu/pvgis/countries/europe/EU-Glob_op...

Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by hanoz on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @06:04AM (#15292101)
That diagram suggests Northern Sweden to Southern Europe is 50%, not 80%, which sounds more plausible.
Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by shandor on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @04:28AM (#15291710)
Thanks! That is quite surprising, and very encouraging.

It seems that solar is a very good overall fit for even most of the world, and once the tech is good enough to be used in huge numbers the differences can probably be compensated with other, local power sources (like hydro in Scandinavia, which is huge there).

Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by philh on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @08:31AM (#15292968)
> What people miss is that during the summer the sun is up all the time. (In the winter, not so much.)

It sounds like these two effects should cancel each other out. Are you saying that people take winter into account but not summer?

Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by Filligree on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @09:13AM (#15293332)
Depends on what you're using it for. A common use-case is cottages that run off the grid, which are only used in the summer half of the year anyway.
Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by jacquesm on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:01AM (#15293773)
But cold panels produce more power.
Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by DamonHD on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @03:36AM (#15291532)
PVGIS is an excellent tool and I have been using it for years!
Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by kodfodrasz on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @04:29AM (#15291713)
Do I understand correctly that the wishful thinking value of 75% photovoltaic conversion efficiency is plotted in the diagram?
Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by ju-st on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @07:34AM (#15292571)
It means the conversion factor of yearly yield in kWh to installed PV in kWp. "Yearly sum of solar electricity generated by 1 kWp system". It's not about the physical PV efficiency.
Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by baking on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:28AM (#15294084)
The 75% performance ratio represents system losses not module efficiency. So a system rated at 1kW(peak) which may be 5-6 square meters in size, and which is exposed to annual sunlight of 1200 kWh/m2 might only produce 900 kWh of usable power.

So efficiency has to do with the rated power per surface area and the performance ratio reflects all the system electrical and environmental factors that reduce the amount of usable power below what would be expected based upon module ratings and annual sunlight exposure.

Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by Someone on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @03:10AM (#15291428)
One factor that helps is that solar cells become less efficient if temperature goes up (https://www.thegreenage.co.uk/article/the-impact-of-temperat...)
Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by fastbeef on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @02:21AM (#15291240)
See the comment from bjelkeman! I don't have any "hard" sources but reserarching solar panels for myself by hanging around Swedish solar forums and noticed people way up north still get a good yield from their panels.

Most of the energy comes from ambient light, direct light is best of course but not strictly needed

Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by hnnsj on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @03:02AM (#15291392)
Nitpick: Only the northern tip of Sweden is north of the polar circle. But yeah, Sweden is pretty dark anyway.
Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by mattferderer on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:07AM (#15293835)
This is a good introduction & has excellent maps. http://solarinsolation.org/tag/map/page/2/
Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by fallingfrog on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:13AM (#15293906)
Here in Maine your solar panels are going to be covered with snow 5 months of the year, so the power production in the winter can't be very significant.. It's one thing to store energy between night and day and it's another thing to store energy between summer and winter. Don't get me wrong, I think solar is the future, but not sure how to make it work up north.
Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by fps on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @01:35PM (#15296286)
I live in Massachusetts, and have 37 250 watt panels. Snow isn't an issue. The panels generate a little bit of resistive heat, which means snow typically doesn't stick. If it's snowing so heavy, and is so cold that the panels do get covered with snow, the snow melts and slides off within an hour or so.

In July my panels make 1300 kwh and in December and January they make 300 kwh, mostly because of the angle of the sun and the length of the time above the horizon. I also have significant southern tree cover, so my production is not optimal for my area.

Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by pmyjavec on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:31AM (#15294138)
In curious about this, does it snow so heavily for 5 months there would be no way to clear the panels?

I mean they're installed at an angle to start with so how does the snow build up? Could panels not be designed with inbuilt defrosters?

Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by fallingfrog on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:38AM (#15294219)
The snow could be cleared off with a shovel, but then you have to either pay someone to do it in the case of industrial solar, or in the case of home solar, go up on your roof when it's covered with ice and snow, not the safest maneuver. Defrosters might be possible but that might use more power than the panels generate. You'd have to raise the temperature of the panels to above the freezing point of water, which might be a change of 20 or 30 degrees F on really cold days. Some years are worse than others- 2014 was really bad, I didn't see bare ground until late April.
Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by extrapickles on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @01:27AM (#15291059)
It's a combination of the 80% output and the cheap local hydro power which makes it not attractive.
Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by fastbeef on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @02:59AM (#15291381)
It's true that power here is cheap (~0.1€ per kWh). However, since most electric companies buy back what you overproduce you can get an installation that covers your whole years supply and have it paid of in 7-10 years.
Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by ehsankia on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @01:46AM (#15291119)
What about some place like California?

It has sunlight almost all year round, it has a pretty progressive government, and a leading tech sector. With house prices being so high, so the cost of solar panels would be relatively lower too.

Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by eru on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @08:05AM (#15292760)
They also have a crazy amount of NIMBYs. Though they might not have figured out how to object to solar panels, yet?
Re:US solar plant costs fall another 30 per cent in one year by HillaryBriss on Wednesday September 20, 2017 @10:33AM (#15294151)
in Los Angeles, solar panels are becoming increasingly common on single family dwellings.

as more and more existing trees die off because of higher water costs and a general theme of reduced water usage, there's a little bit less shade, too.