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Re:W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns by mirimir on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @05:56AM (#15283144)
I don't see any way to win that war. The IP oligarchs have won it. They own the W3C now.

But there is clearly a demand for DRM-free browsers. And if the worst fears are realized, and mainstream browsers won't display media without DRM, or become snooping devices for IP oligarchs, that demand will increase.

Sure, it'll never be more than a niche, but DRM-free browsers will be there for those who want them.

Re:W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns by athenot on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @10:01AM (#15284654)
There's an easy way to win that war: diversify the content you consume. If you're willing to step outside of the immensely popular, there are great treasures to be found.

IP owners are protecting their assets which are worth a lot. The irony is that the value of those assets come from us content consumers. And I'll be the first to admit that I'm a lot less interested in the local amateur hockey team than the national league team I follow. I chose to consume that brand. But I don't have to.

Yes I lament the loss of a vision for free-flowing information. But the society in which we live, unfortunately, values and protects powerful asset owners. Technology cannot fix a society problem.

Re:W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns by mirimir on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @09:04PM (#15289999)
For individuals, sure. But the war was about norms for the Web. And that's lost. Again, by the way. The first time, as I recall, being in ~1995, when the commercial takeover really got started. So it goes.
Re:W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns by criddell on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @10:21AM (#15284820)
> mainstream browsers won't display media without DRM

Seriously?

Nothing has really changed, has it? Video services want to use DRM so they developed or bought tools to do so. A de facto standard emerged around the frameworks and the W3C essentially ratified the standard. If I understand it correctly, the standard itself isn't DRM, rather it's a place where DRM controls can be installed.

I get that the EFF saw this as an opportunity to ask for a promise from DRM companies to not sue researchers and I applaud them for that. But now that they lost that battle, I think it's entirely appropriate for them to drop out and apply their resources elsewhere. For example, if they can get rid of the ability to sue researchers in the first place, then none of this really matters.

I don't think there's a demand for DRM free browsers but there is a demand for DRM free content.

Re:W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns by floatboth on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @06:53AM (#15283414)
This is a paranoid slippery slope.

EME existed for several years already, and was implemented in browsers. Standardization doesn't change much.

And no one except the big movie producers even wants to use DRM. If you don't watch movies on the web, you'll never see DRM.

Firefox is DRM-free by default. It will download Widevine CDM if you start watching Netflix, but you can untick a flag in the settings to completely forbid it from downloading the CDM, if you're afraid of accidentally signing up for Netflix :D

Re:W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns by mirimir on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @07:10AM (#15283497)
> Firefox is DRM-free by default.

It is now. But next year? In five years? And if it's gone, then what?

> This is a paranoid slippery slope.

Well, it's a slippery slope. And I do tend to plan for the worst. Plus a safety factor.

Re:W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns by floatboth on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @07:48AM (#15283731)
Open source software can never be completely "gone".

The "OMG EVERYTHING WILL BE DRM" panic is not new. We've had widely available DRM back when Flash was super popular. And still, to this day, the only DRM'd thing is movies.

Re:W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns by mfukar on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @08:04AM (#15283847)
The only thing? What about computer software?

Maybe you meant to type 'the only thing I care about'.

Re:W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns by floatboth on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @10:12AM (#15284743)
I actually don't care about movies, very rarely watch them at all. The vast majority of video I watch is YouTube.

I meant to type "I never actually saw DRM on the web in person".

Also, proprietary desktop software is still usually "protected" by just a serial number :D

Re:W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns by JadeNB on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @11:09AM (#15285293)
> Also, proprietary desktop software is still usually "protected" by just a serial number :D

The ineffectuality of most DRM isn't really an argument for it (or even just an argument against arguments against it), though.

Re:W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns by mfukar on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @01:04PM (#15286476)
> Also, proprietary desktop software is still usually "protected" by just a serial number :D

Not really; there's a lot of sophisticated DRM going around at least since the 70's..

Re:W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns by mozumder on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @06:47AM (#15283374)
> But there is clearly a demand for DRM-free browsers.

There is not a demand for DRM-free browser.

I don't know anyone in the real world that demands a DRM-free browser.

Re:W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns by mirimir on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @07:08AM (#15283476)
They probably won't tell you what they really want ;)
Re:W3C abandons consensus, standardizes DRM, EFF resigns by tudorw on Tuesday September 19, 2017 @06:30AM (#15283284)
I've no crystal ball, so looking back, monopolies and incumbent monoliths encounter resistance as they mature, there are more examples of the status quo being that they wither under the weight of complexity, this is certainly not over while consumers consume content, consumers own their time, content creators own their content, everything else is middleman stuff.