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Re:Arrested DevOps Live – with Andrew Clay Shafer and Bryan ... by bcantrill on Sunday September 17, 2017 @10:35PM (#15272965)
These are two very different incidents, yet despite being separated in time by fifteen years, they nonetheless tend to travel as a pair -- to the point that I contrasted them in a comprehensive reply several years ago.[1]

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9041086

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