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Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security by pertymcpert on Thursday September 14, 2017 @12:37PM (#15249677)
Customs can do that anyway if you have a password.
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Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security by Jeremy1026 on Thursday September 14, 2017 @01:38PM (#15250393)
Constitutionally, an individual can not be forced to enter a password for law enforcement (including customs agents).
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Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security by eanzenberg on Thursday September 14, 2017 @02:05PM (#15250735)
That's the point, "constitutionally" while they lock you up for hours/days on end to obtain the warrant needed to give up your password unless you are willing to stay locked up.
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Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security by colejohnson66 on Thursday September 14, 2017 @02:45PM (#15251163)
Many border agents, it seems, have the “if you have nothing to hide” mentality. So if you’re refusing to unlock your phone, clearly you’re hiding something.
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Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security by Jeremy1026 on Thursday September 14, 2017 @03:51PM (#15251911)
Get that sweet settlement for wrongful imprisonment.
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Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security by coldtea on Thursday September 14, 2017 @05:35PM (#15252713)
Or, you know, no settlement, and not even a "sorry, oops" either.
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Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security by tastythrowaway on Thursday September 14, 2017 @04:17PM (#15252132)
How many times has this actually happened though?
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Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security by coldtea on Thursday September 14, 2017 @05:35PM (#15252710)
That would be comforting if both (a) and (b) were true:

(a) the world was only US citizens.

(b) nothing unconstitutional ever happened to the first group.

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Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security by danjoc on Thursday September 14, 2017 @04:38PM (#15252306)
> Customs can do that anyway if you have a password.

Allow me to repeat myself,

If you can't lock yourself out, it's not secure.

For example, some banks have time locks. Nobody gets into the vault, unless it is in a certain window of time.

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Re:Face ID, Touch ID, No ID, PINs and Pragmatic Security by coldtea on Thursday September 14, 2017 @05:34PM (#15252700)
>If you can't lock yourself out, it's not secure.

It's not secure if you can lock yourself out either.

A court could hold you in contempt for failing to unlock or intently locking.

And a state actor or even mugger could just hurt you or even kill you, in frustration if you don't open it for them.

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