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Re:How to Live Without Google by blub on Thursday September 14, 2017 @08:40AM (#15247328)
It is an improvement, because Google is one of the greatest privacy offenders. Almost any company except Facebook and the other tracking-people-for-money would be better than them.

Android is a hopeless cause. If the platform developer's goal is to get all information about you that it can, it's pointless to try software workarounds.

And recommending software developed by Chinese companies for privacy purposes must be a joke.

Re:How to Live Without Google by cannonedhamster on Thursday September 14, 2017 @10:02AM (#15248075)
This was one of the reasons I was really sad to see Ubuntu discontinue their phone. It would be nice to have a phone option that could easily install multiple OSes. While Replicant exists it's nowhere near feature parity. I suppose one could use a custom ROM but there are very few phones that work flawlessly with them in my experience. What about options like the ONEPlus phones?
Re:How to Live Without Google by milcron on Thursday September 14, 2017 @02:51PM (#15251235)
CopperheadOS is de-Googled and works great. Only supports four phones, though: Nexus 5X, Nexus 6P, Pixel, and Pixel XL.

They will probably support the upcoming Pixel 2 as well.

Re:How to Live Without Google by striking on Thursday September 14, 2017 @11:11AM (#15248791)
I've experienced success installing Ubuntu Mobile and Sailfish OS using MultiROM on the OnePlus One. It was neat. YMMV.
Re:How to Live Without Google by Rotareti on Thursday September 14, 2017 @10:32PM (#15254138)
> It was neat.

Are you back on Android now or why do you speak in past tense? If yes, what are the reasons? I'm considering moving to Ubuntu Phone or Sailfish, that's why I'm asking.

Re:How to Live Without Google by striking on Thursday September 14, 2017 @10:42PM (#15254174)
Android had all my information already stored in it, and I didn't think the improvements Sailfish's UI made were worth making the switch (although they really were very nice). Also, Ubuntu Phone didn't really impress me much, and I think it's kind of a dead end now.

It was a great party trick to be able to dual-boot my phone, I got a lot of mileage out of that one. But it wasn't much more helpful to me than that.

Re:How to Live Without Google by bhhaskin on Thursday September 14, 2017 @07:43PM (#15253419)
Ubuntu touch is not dead yet. It has been picked up by UBports.
Re:How to Live Without Google by gras on Thursday September 14, 2017 @10:36AM (#15248426)
PostMarketOS is working on this issue! It's an Alpine Linux distro for phones with Wayland and its own UI kit.
Re:How to Live Without Google by morganvachon on Thursday September 14, 2017 @11:13AM (#15248820)
Vouched for your comment; even though PostMarketOS is nowhere near ready for primetime, it is philosophically at least a step in the right direction.
Re:How to Live Without Google by gras on Thursday September 14, 2017 @01:29PM (#15250293)
Thanks, must be one of the "go away" bots I keep encountering since my home IP got shitlisted for unclear reasons.

I don't think it's ready for prime time either, but I think it might get to Arch-level usability for a reasonably large set of phones soon. Very promising for middling tinkerers and up IMO.

Re:How to Live Without Google by morganvachon on Thursday September 14, 2017 @03:35PM (#15251749)
For a while I've thought about trolling eBay for a PostMarketOS compatible phone, just to keep up with development in a hands-on way. It's cheaper than investing in the Neo900 or the Pyra, though I'm passionate about both of those projects as well.
Re:How to Live Without Google by FussyZeus on Thursday September 14, 2017 @09:03AM (#15247505)
This is what pushed me to iOS primarily. The simple fact is Google is incentivized directly to spy on you, and (increasingly) Apple is using the fact that they do not spy on you as a differentiator. They make their money on the hardware and via iTunes; they don't sell your data, and oftentimes don't even have access to your data by their own design.

Apple doesn't have 100% of my trust but of the OEM phone makers out their right now, I think by a wide margin they're the most trustworthy.

Re:How to Live Without Google by tannhaeuser on Thursday September 14, 2017 @05:41PM (#15252752)
True, but OTOH iOS's closedness puts you in a weak position where if Apple changes their mind you can't do anything about it. It's annoying, too, because you need the horrific iTunes software and its cert infrastructure as a gateway to your phone.

It's really paradoxical that a closed source O/S is a pro-privacy option vs. Linux-based Android of all things.

Re:How to Live Without Google by FussyZeus on Friday September 15, 2017 @08:29AM (#15256541)
Well they've made a first step to de-cluttering iTunes by moving iOS app management out of the thing, as well as a few other bits, so hopefully it will be less of a dumpster fire in the near future.

As to the fact that you're at Apple's mercy, that's true, but I don't see how that's particularly different with Android and Google, the only difference being with Android you often don't get their latest software update. ;)

And yes, definitely a paradox but I think the primary reason is that people tend to think of Android as being a Google product, when it isn't, Google just bought it. If you use pure Android on a rooted device you could probably secure it pretty effectively, except that software updates then become more complicated, plus the process of rooting a phone, while not as complex as jailbreaking an iOS device, is quite challenging and above what the vast, vast majority of users are willing to do.

Re:How to Live Without Google by Pigo on Thursday September 14, 2017 @09:55AM (#15248003)
>Android is a hopeless cause

You've been living in some kind of echo chamber my brother, especially if you think Apple worries about encryption just because they want your privacy. It's only the ubiquitous mobile device OS on the planet. Do you ever want to do something fun with a raspberry pi?