Re:Mathematicians Measure Infinities, Find They’re Equal
by myren on Thursday September 14, 2017 @04:55AM
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I don´t think this is an alien that applied downwards Löwenheim-Skolem to the reals. Rather I think this is an alien which applied upwards Löwenheim-Skolem to peano arithmetic. I think this because the alien talks about infinite natural numbers, aka non-standard natural numbers. It has used upwards Löwenheim-Skolem to get a model of peano arithmetic that has the cardinality of the continuum, and then there is of course a bijection between our reals and the thing that it calls the natural numbers. I see no sign that it´s using a non-standard model of the reals, but lots of signs that it´s using a non-standard model of the naturals.
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Re:Mathematicians Measure Infinities, Find They’re Equal
by kmill on Thursday September 14, 2017 @12:13PM
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The power of modern logic is that we can make predictions like this!
I wasn't sure whether the Löwenheim–Skolem alien was just translating things into our set theory for our sake, but I think your proposal is more likely.