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Re:You’ve Either Shipped or You Haven’t by lionhearted on Saturday July 17, 2010 @03:28PM (#1524470)
> The extreme example of this problem is in science. Just about nobody in society has actually done any experimental science.

This. A thousand times this. It takes like three weeks of screwing around to get something remotely valuable, and oftentimes a summary takes just a paragraph that people look at and say, "Well, yeah, duh, that's obvious isn't it?"

Re:You’ve Either Shipped or You Haven’t by mechanical_fish on Saturday July 17, 2010 @04:01PM (#1524530)
One can't say this enough: After your work is done, you are going to look at it, at the product of years of herculean effort, and you are going to say "Damn! This is completely obvious. How did this take me so much time?"

Only then will you truly grok Feynman's joke about mathematicians: "Mathematicians can only prove trivial theorems, because any theorem, once proved, is trivial."

(When I first read that at age fifteen or so, it was humor. Now it is dark humor. Still funny, of course, but with richer overtones.)

Only then will you understand how James Clerk Maxwell's life work can simultaneously be one of the top ten intellectual feats in the history of mankind and something that most undergraduate physics majors learn in a semester or two.

Re:You’ve Either Shipped or You Haven’t by adw on Saturday July 17, 2010 @05:35PM (#1524689)
A PhD takes about six weeks. Maybe three months. It takes at least three years to work out which six weeks.

(I'm speaking from experience.)

Re:You’ve Either Shipped or You Haven’t by banuelios on Saturday July 17, 2010 @05:29PM (#1524680)
Do they? I'm not a physicist but I wonder why a friend of mine (PhD in physics @caltech) decided to take a sabbatical and "dedicate a full year" to study Maxwell equations. I'll ask him more about it...
Re:You’ve Either Shipped or You Haven’t by mechanical_fish on Saturday July 17, 2010 @11:52PM (#1525190)
Oh, I don't mean to say that undergrads finish understanding Maxwell's equations. I took about six semesters' worth of material that basically boiled down to the equations, and I came nowhere near reaching the limit.

But it is true that we routinely use the equations to solve problems that were very difficult intellectual struggles for Maxwell. A big problem is that Maxwell was encumbered by his mathematics and notation - everything he did was later refactored to be more straightforward. The dev, grad, curl stuff we use today came later. We have Oliver Heaviside - a man whose name is now more famous from Cats lyrics - to thank for them.

Re:You’ve Either Shipped or You Haven’t by cabalamat on Sunday July 18, 2010 @03:33AM (#1525392)
Even if it's not true of Maxwell, it's certainly true of Newton.
Re:You’ve Either Shipped or You Haven’t by wglb on Saturday July 17, 2010 @10:55PM (#1525126)
Well, when we studied maxwell's equations, it seemed (and still does) like a thing of beauty. Completely obvious it is not.