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Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by JSONwebtoken on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @09:08PM (#15244193)
I don't understand the value of this company. What services do they provide that existing internet companies don't provide at a lower price and higher level of quality in its separate service lines (personal loans, student loans, mortgages)?

In offering so many products, what economics of scale do they bring over established banks and credit unions? If there are any newly discovered efficiencies, they certainly aren't passed down to the consumer as the rates I've been quoted for their loan products are terrible; it's shocking that they get any organic business at all.

They call themselves "a new kind of finance company" but there's literally nothing new to benefit the consumer. If anything, they've taken multiple steps back because they're a 1990s boiler room down to their culture, their management, and especially their channel of sales: they masquerade as an "tech company," but really they're just a web form that prints leads to their sleazy call center.

If you tick the boxes of the specific demographic they're going after (High Earners, Not Rich Yet - as they call them at SoFi) and you make the mistake of giving them your information by applying for any one of their products, all the mini-Belforts at the company will relentlessly pitch you over the phone to trust them to manage all of your wealth... for a princely return of 1.18%.

They have no defensible moats, they have no IP, they have no talent on staff. Their Chief Technical Officer is the CEO's wife, who has a 1 year remote degree from Stanford and no prior experience in software. Seemingly her job is just to stand around and pretend everything is "normal" while her husband sexually assaults girls half her age in the room across. How sad.

Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by t0mbstone on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @09:35PM (#15244343)
Speaking as someone who has multiple loans from SoFi (consolidated credit card debt, and then re-financed a couple of times as my credit score improved), getting a loan from them was remarkably painless.

Their online application was easy to use, and once it was approved, an electronic deposit for the amount simply appeared in my bank account a couple of days later. The interest rates were low, the terms were easy to understand, and there were no gotchas like front-weighted interest or unexpected fees.

If another company exists that will happily give me a hassle-free, unsecured loan for $50,000 at 5-6% interest, via an easy to use online form, and then deliver the funds in only a couple of days... please, by all means, let me know!

Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by JSONwebtoken on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @09:40PM (#15244372)
Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by bduerst on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @09:56PM (#15244445)
A couple of those companies don't specialize in student loan refinancing.

SoFi started as a student loan refinancing institution for low-risk professional pools with Stanford and Harvard alumni. As someone who refinanced their student loans recently with SoFi and shopped around, I can tell you I got the best rate from SoFi.

You seem adamantly opposed to SoFi though. Despite the unfounded accusations in your rant, why are you?

Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by pyre on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:08PM (#15244498)
Personally, I don't know if "has the best rate" is strong enough to warrant the moniker, "a new kind of finance company," but that's just me.
Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by sjg007 on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:17PM (#15244533)
The real criticism is that they take out the repayers and leave the govt with the defaulters aka privatize the profits and socialize the losses. it will eventually undermine the student loan program.
Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by icelancer on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:20PM (#15244555)
That is not unique to SoFi by any means.
Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by foota on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:39PM (#15244619)
Seems like the right answer here is to make the government not accept refinancing that doesn't pay back all the loan?
Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by bduerst on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:12PM (#15244509)
So your problem with Sofi is their marketing motto?

If we literally judge every financial company by their slogan, then we'll be here a while.

Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by pyre on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:37PM (#15244612)
Well, your only defence of the company against the parent of this thread was that they got you the best rate after shopping around. I'm pretty sure that "they don't have the best rate" is not an issue that the parent poster takes with the company, so I find it kind of odd that this is your rebuttal.
Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by bduerst on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:48PM (#15244653)
Ok, but what does that have to do with SoFi's slogan?
Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by wils1245 on Thursday September 14, 2017 @12:26AM (#15245006)
https://www.earnest.com is a nearly identical company as well.
Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by astura on Thursday September 14, 2017 @06:21AM (#15246488)
There's https://www.bestegg.com too, they send me like 1 mailing a week and I get mailings from other very similar companies, as well as established banks, several times a week.

I do not know if it's a saturated market yet but it sure seems like it.

I currently have ~$10,000 in credit card debt at 0% interest, no I don't want to refinance that, thank you! (I got the money sitting in a CD when the interest free period runs out.)

Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by ams6110 on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:17PM (#15244535)
> If another company exists that will happily give me a hassle-free, unsecured loan for $50,000 at 5-6% interest,

If there aren't any, that should tell you something. Their business is not likely sustainable. Good for you if you got those terms, and there aren't any hidden surprises, but that rate with no security seems well below what prudent lending demands.

Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by tryingagainbro on Thursday September 14, 2017 @12:20AM (#15244989)
Their business is not likely sustainable.

The interest that banks give on your deposited cash is essentially zero, so even 5-6% leave a decent margin. Not everyone aims to make 25% a year, quite a few want to retain their wealth. This can be a tiny % of their allocation.

(Yeah, I know not all is paid back, salaries, heating bill and all.)

Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by sidlls on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @09:44PM (#15244388)
They reduced my student loan payment and cut the term in half at the same time. I was able to complete the application and have a decision in less than two days, and the funds were transferred two days later.

They're also much easier to get substantial unsecured term debt through at a lower price than, say, Prosper or Lending Club.

Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by JSONwebtoken on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @09:58PM (#15244452)
I'm afraid your scenario isn't possible or you've been taken advantage of for your lack of financial fluency.

There is no way your loan payments were reduced and the remaining term cut in half at the same time, unless your original interest rate was above 20-25%.

Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by sidlls on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:26PM (#15244573)
I'm chuckling so hard right now. You have no idea what the principle, terms or rates involved are yet feel the need to make assertions about possibilities and my knowledge of finance. It's an incredible representation of a certain kind of know-it-all nonsense.
Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by JSONwebtoken on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:37PM (#15244614)
I'm sure the SoFi salesperson was also chuckling when you signed off on a magic loan that supposedly made half your principle disappear.

Anyone with a calculator can tell the numbers don't add up. You're either embellishing or you got scammed.

Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by oscilloscope on Thursday September 14, 2017 @12:13AM (#15244954)
Neither the interest rate nor the term of the loan affect the principle. These only change the monthly payment amount. It's possible to have a lower monthly payment with a shorter term, depending on the interest rate.
Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by rockinghigh on Thursday September 14, 2017 @02:37AM (#15245454)
I think you mean principal.
Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by saalweachter on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:56PM (#15244682)
Eh, there's always the possibility they were pulling an Uber - using VC cash to subsidize unprofitable margins to try to corner a market.
Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by sidlls on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @11:10PM (#15244730)
Who said half the principle disappeared?
Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by joehenriod on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @11:21PM (#15244765)
Would you mind just stating what the debt was, what your payments were, what your interest rate was and what the term was compared to now?

It's kind of a silly fight, and I'm sure it would help educate a lot of people reading about what is possible.

Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by cwilkes on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:32PM (#15244600)
Post some particulars then. Maybe not of your terms but something like it to see how to reduce the payment and cut the term in half.
Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by sidlls on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @11:05PM (#15244709)
That's easy: let the new rate be r' and the original rate be r.

Then choose r'/r < 1/2 by a sufficient amount. For example: let (P; r; t) be ($100,000; 8%; 30 years). The payment is around $740/mo. Now take (P; r; t) equal to ($100,000; 3%; 15 years). The payment is around $700/mo.

You can adjust for the fact that some months of repayment already occurred so the term reduction is to a new term greater than half the remaining periods on the existing loan and the present value (i.e. new principle) is smaller and bump r' up accordingly to achieve the same result.

Either way it's hardly "impossible" and actually quite easy to do if there's a significant difference between the original loan conditions and the refinance/consolidation.

Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by MaulingMonkey on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @11:35PM (#15244813)
The power of compound interest! For anyone else wishing to double check sidlls math:

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=$100000+3%25+15+year+m...

https://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=$100000+8%25+30+year+m...

Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by ams6110 on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @11:39PM (#15244832)
Sure but who is going to lend you $100,000 at 3% for 15 years, with no asset securing the loan?

Again, the specific numbers of your situation would go a long way to shutting up the skeptics here. Either your initial rate was absurdly high, or you're exaggerating.

Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by josephjrobison on Thursday September 14, 2017 @11:22AM (#15248936)
If he's an MD or Engineering Phd from Standford, that's the security that SoFi originally innovated on right?
Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by DrScump on Thursday September 14, 2017 @03:39AM (#15245711)

  my knowledge of finance
... apparently does not include knowing that "principle" and principal have different meanings.
Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by caseysoftware on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:01PM (#15244470)
I'm glad I wasn't the only person saying "wait.. what?" over that one.

He had to have received a large rate reduction or made a massive payment on the principle. I don't see how the math would work out otherwise.

Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by ams6110 on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:15PM (#15244525)
Or there's a balloon payment at the end of the term, hidden in the fine print.
Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by wil421 on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:07PM (#15244494)
Look at the types of loans they have. Their target market is people in a crisis, students, and people with a lack of financial fluency.

People make horrible financial desicions and a lot of companies profit off of them.

Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by throwayit on Friday September 15, 2017 @05:28PM (#15260916)
You are incorrect. This is called refinancing and happens frequently. It's possible SOFI assumed his/her debt at a lower interest rate which in some scenarios could mean a lower payment and lower term. The lower rate could be due to a variety of factors including overall interest rates, a change (or different viewpoint) in creditworthiness of the debtor, etc.

Your ego and lack of financial fluency is showing - this scenario is entirely possible.

Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by newscracker on Thursday September 14, 2017 @12:54AM (#15245102)
> Seemingly her job is just to stand around and pretend everything is "normal" while her husband sexually assaults girls half her age in the room across.

This is really a low blow and completely uncalled for. I would expect such comments on reddit or Facebook, but not here.

Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by newgrad on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @11:51PM (#15244872)
What I know is

Student loan is quite inefficient, people going to University of Phoenix with low job acceptance rate majors get the same/similar interest rate with people going to Stanford for Computer Science. One side is way more likely to pay back than the other. That side is the horse, while the other one is the burden to the portfolio.

There are for-profit schools which spend 70% or more of their budget to solely marketing. I don't see they are producing good workforces.

Long term value: driving the masses to correctly study things that have higher chances of concretely contributing to society on short - medium term. I think it's quite valuable.

SoFi's way to survive is to collect high quality borrowers which risks are smaller than the average of the student loan portfolio.

Let's say govt gave all 8% (idk the real numbers) for everyone, but there are good students/alumnis in it whose risk are calculated actually as 4%, SoFi would refinance the loan with 5%. 1% margin is for SoFi.

Borrower is happy, SoFi is happy, student loan system gets a slap of reality in the long run & people would realize the inefficiency of the loaning system.

In the next phase after they have gathered the good borrowers, SoFi needs to nurture them to ensure their productivity, while offering other finances if needed. This is still not materialized yet I think. But, acquiring good borrowers & continuously serving them is the holy grail of the business I think.

Re:The Sex Scandal That Toppled SoFi’s C.E.O by hkmurakami on Wednesday September 13, 2017 @10:14PM (#15244518)
My high level understanding is that at the start, they tried to target people who were the high "ROI" segment of customers that traditional lenders were lending to. They identified client segments who had better default numbers than the overall debt pool they were placed in, carved them out, and extended them better terms (but terms that would still make SoFi money).

Another way to frame this is that they tried to properly "price" mispriced securities (which in this case are individuals with loan terms with worse terms than their financial profile should beget them). Students working towards advanced degrees from elite institutions were seen by the traditional lending market as higher risk than what SoFi deduced that they should be "priced" at.

Traditional banks need scale in their businesses an order of magnitude or two compared to a startup. There were quite a few startups whose business model is "we will carve away the most profitable (but small in size) segments of a big bank's client base, and serve those people better".