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Re:Chief Executive of Social Finance to Step Down by djchung23 on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @02:22AM (#15225189)
Yikes. Culture starts from the person at the top and flows down.

Curious to see how and if the cultural narrative within Silicon Valley companies will change one year from now after all that's happened. Will there actually be meaningful change? I don't know, but I'm hoping so.

Re:Chief Executive of Social Finance to Step Down by lefstathiou on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @09:12AM (#15226970)
I was chatting in bed with my lady about this last night and we hit on a few negative potential outcomes and concerns:

Companies and their investors are going to look for ways to prevent these issues from happening. Part of the solution will rest on coaching, monitoring and policing (perhaps through employee empowerment etc) the "aggressive" people (mostly men) in the workplace.

A concern my girlfriend highlighted is that this may increase unconscious bias in the hiring process, for example:

Will men consider beautiful girls a risk to the workplace? If you have 90% male employees working in your office and a beautiful girl who is definitely qualified for the job but for the sake of argument not someone you "have to have" for this role, are you introducing risk into the workplace by hiring her knowing that people react stronger to attractive people? Said differently, is there a possibility that her presence becomes a potential "distraction" in the office.

Will progressive personalities be considered a risk to the workplace? Beyond looks to personality types, if you are interviewing a candidate and through rounds of interviews you discover they actively contribute their spare time and energy toward socially progressive movements, rallies, campaigns etc, will they be deemed higher risks as potential work-place agitators?

I never really thought about these things until my gf mentioned them but apparently she and her girlfriends consider these factors when strategizing about interviews ("don't look too good, etc").

Another anecdote: we have a handful of couples we're close to whose girlfriends/wives insist that their CEO boyfriends/husbands never conduct challenging performance based conversations with female employees without a witness present. This was consistent with my girlfriend's experience in banking where she found that her senior managers were comfortable having performance reviews 1-1 (which in theory facilitates more candid dialogue and deeper relationships) whereas all the girls had multiple managers present reviews. On the margin, does this disadvantage women? I don't know but my gf seemed to think so.

Re:Chief Executive of Social Finance to Step Down by flachsechs on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @11:09AM (#15227882)
> Will men consider beautiful girls a risk to the workplace

this isn't just a concern at work, but also when hanging out with male friends also.

adding an attractive female will instantly change the dynamic. some men completely change their personalities when an attractive female is around. they'll start subtly insulting other guys, etc. i'm sure all men do it to a certain degree but some just are not socialized well enough to handle it.

Re:Chief Executive of Social Finance to Step Down by dsfyu404ed on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @09:57AM (#15227276)
>Will men consider beautiful girls a risk to the workplace? If you have 90% male employees working in your office and a beautiful girl who is definitely qualified for the job but for the sake of argument not someone you "have to have" for this role, are you introducing risk into the workplace by hiring her knowing that people react stronger to attractive people? Said differently, is there a possibility that her presence becomes a potential "distraction" in the office.

Yes. This is already a thing (in some workplaces). I'm just saying it exists, not that I endorse or condemn it.

>Will progressive personalities be considered a risk to the workplace? Beyond looks to personality types, if you are interviewing a candidate and through rounds of interviews you discover they actively contribute their spare time and energy toward socially progressive movements, rallies, campaigns etc, will they be deemed higher risks as potential work-place agitators?

See above. In fact I'd say the reverse is more true. Nobody would blink twice if their coworker drove a car plastered in anti GMO and pro local farming bumper stickers but if a "venison is always free range" sticker showed up it would probably be noticed.

>whereas all the girls had multiple managers present reviews

It only takes one semi-baseless allegation of sexual harassment to create a policy like this.

Re:Chief Executive of Social Finance to Step Down by matrix on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @10:59AM (#15227804)
There is precedent for a bias against hiring someone who is too attractive, see "Fired for Being Beautiful:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/17/opinion/fired-for-being-be...

Re:Chief Executive of Social Finance to Step Down by neo4sure on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @12:18PM (#15228567)
"Companies and their investors are going to look for ways to prevent these issues from happening. Part of the solution will rest on coaching, monitoring and policing (perhaps through employee empowerment etc) the "aggressive" people (mostly men) in the workplace."

Just be a good person... It's really easy. I don't know why a guy would need coaching on basic decency.

Re:Chief Executive of Social Finance to Step Down by cflewis on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @12:25PM (#15228645)
Yeah, this is classic victim blaming. "Oh, she looked too pretty, I couldn't help myself from touching her ass."

How about not hiring assholes in the first place? If they have to be coached to not have issues with women, then they aren't worth your time.

Re:Chief Executive of Social Finance to Step Down by thinkcontext on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @11:15AM (#15227934)
From the BBC recently an article about a CEO who dyed her hair and wore glasses to increase odds with VC.

"I dye my hair brown to be taken more seriously at work" http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-41082939

Re:Chief Executive of Social Finance to Step Down by adamsea on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @10:37AM (#15227590)
What does "aggressive" mean in this context, and why is it in quotes?
Re:Chief Executive of Social Finance to Step Down by thebiglebrewski on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @09:38AM (#15227159)
I didn't know Smoove B was on Hacker News. Oooooh yeah.

http://www.theonion.com/personalities/smoove-b-1022

Re:Chief Executive of Social Finance to Step Down by thebiglebrewski on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @09:43AM (#15227193)
Also woah I didn't read your whole comment. "Will men consider beautiful girls a risk to the workplace?"

What kind of question is that? So beautiful girls don't have a right to a job because men are afraid of them? Honestly that's kind of messed up to think about. "Beautiful girls" are people too...

Re:Chief Executive of Social Finance to Step Down by rndmwlk on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @09:53AM (#15227249)
>Also woah I didn't read your whole comment.

Is this some form of satire? I would suggest reading their whole comment or refraining from commenting yourself.

Re:Chief Executive of Social Finance to Step Down by thebiglebrewski on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @10:04AM (#15227327)
No this comment was not. Sorry if you thought my comment was offensive. I'm just saying that I think it's offensive to say that "beautiful women" are a problem in an office as if they're not people too...is that an outlandish thing to think?
Re:Chief Executive of Social Finance to Step Down by bluntfang on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @10:44AM (#15227644)
it's outlandish to think that your reading comprehension is so poor, but it true.
Re:Chief Executive of Social Finance to Step Down by thebiglebrewski on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @10:50AM (#15227716)
Yeah it's definitely true. You are right, I'm clearly an idiot. I am in the wrong
Re:Chief Executive of Social Finance to Step Down by thebiglebrewski on Tuesday September 12, 2017 @10:40AM (#15227618)
...apparently it is judging by the number of downvotes I'm getting.