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Re:The Efficacy of Reddit’s 2015 Ban Examined Through Hate S... by bad_user on Monday September 11, 2017 @02:17PM (#15220759)
> This will reinforce their opinions, not change them for the better.

I see this argument made a lot, however I'd like to see proof that giving such people arguments can change them.

I personally don't think that's the case. It's like giving a Christian arguments that God doesn't exist.

Re:The Efficacy of Reddit’s 2015 Ban Examined Through Hate S... by dionidium on Monday September 11, 2017 @02:40PM (#15220964)
Significant changes in my life primarily attributable to arguments with friends and online:

1. Moved from a vague agnosticism to atheism

2. Maintained a vegetarian diet for 10 years

3. Shifted my politics from the far-left toward the center-right

Who are these people who think minds never change? That's what I see repeated over and over without evidence.

Minds never change in the moment. That's not how beliefs or the stubborn humans who hold them work. But beliefs can -- and do! -- change over time.

Re:The Efficacy of Reddit’s 2015 Ban Examined Through Hate S... by bad_user on Monday September 11, 2017 @02:56PM (#15221147)
We are having a conversation on Hacker News. Any sampling from HN's user base, including your sample of 1, is biased. Please correct me if I'm wrong, but there's a high probability that:

1. you have at least average intelligence

2. you can entertain logical arguments, since software development involves a lot of mathematical logic

3. you are heavily exposed to American culture and San Francisco's progressiveness, even those of us that are not even living in the US ;-)

4. you have a good education, either from an Ivy league school, or because you are an efficient autodidact

5. you are middle class and have your basic needs satisfied by your salary

Don't get me wrong, but there's a high probability that you're living in a bubble, just like most of us here and you're really not representative of the average population.

Re:The Efficacy of Reddit’s 2015 Ban Examined Through Hate S... by dionidium on Monday September 11, 2017 @05:20PM (#15222439)
Right, but the mods here don't allow heated debates on controversial subjects. They view them as pointless or even harmful. Further, they seem to have accepted a sort of broken windows theory of moderation that says that any such discussion has to be stopped, lest it leak out into other threads.

I think that's disastrously wrong on all counts.

Re:The Efficacy of Reddit’s 2015 Ban Examined Through Hate S... by HarryHirsch on Monday September 11, 2017 @02:38PM (#15220950)
It's the other way around: the radicals have a need to engage the rest of society to convert them to their cause. That forces some degree of moderation, they know that if they are too far out no one will listen to them.

A better metaphor would be that if you confine the Christians to their ghettoes soon someone will take up arms against the infidels.

Re:The Efficacy of Reddit’s 2015 Ban Examined Through Hate S... by KGIII on Monday September 11, 2017 @02:26PM (#15220838)
I know quite a few folks who are no longer Christian because someone did just that.
Re:The Efficacy of Reddit’s 2015 Ban Examined Through Hate S... by MrZongle2 on Monday September 11, 2017 @03:10PM (#15221314)