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Re:Zed Shaw on C++ by api on Friday July 16, 2010 @11:50AM (#1521481)
What you say about Java's verbosity is sort of flawed in the same way that attacks on C++ about its template metaprogramming madness are flawed. Don't confuse a language with what people write in it.

There is a point though. C++ encourages obscure "too clever" constructs, and Java encourages excessive verbosity. But in both cases you can decide not to go there.

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Re:Zed Shaw on C++ by joe_the_user on Friday July 16, 2010 @01:15PM (#1521769)
As far as I know, there's a lot more to Java that isn't optional: everything must be inside a class definition, everything must use the garbage collector.

In C++, you don't have to declare a single class or create a single template.

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