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Re:Return of the city-state by mc32 on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @11:51PM (#15189027)
The same can be said of the Japanese system --but even moreso. Their rural areas have an exaggerated influence in national politics. Not saying I agree but it's proof a country can do relatively well despite many disadvantages (geography, demographics, int'l politics, etc) and playing to the countryside.

If we look toward Mexico, we can say the cities have an oversized influence in the politics and the frustration form the countryside can boil over into internal conflict.

Re:Return of the city-state by uiri on Wednesday September 06, 2017 @11:57PM (#15189047)
I feel like the Nikkei index would disagree with you insofar as a stock market index is an indicator of economic prosperity. That said, the US system was designed to protect less populous (rural) states from being bullied by the more populous (urban) states. It is hard to say that the system is not working as intended.
Re:Return of the city-state by mc32 on Thursday September 07, 2017 @12:02AM (#15189070)
Their problems will be ours in 30 years' time. All industrialized nations will face declining populations and automation --given their demographics, I say they are doing a pretty good job. I don't think there are many economies which faced with Japan's demographics (together with their lack of natural resources, arable land, etc) would do as well as they are doing in their circumstances.

Now, work culture, that's a different topic. They definitely could improve their work/life balance and their gender disparity, etc.

Re:Return of the city-state by TheAdamAndChe on Thursday September 07, 2017 @05:03PM (#15195686)
> All industrialized nations will face declining populations and automation

We like to complain so much about automation, but I think the main driver of our current economic woes is outsourcing. When Americans have to compete against people in countries that have $1/hr minimum wage, there's no way our lower class can compete. Not everyone has the skills or aptitude to make it to the middle or upper classes. Should they see a declining quality of life just so corporations can see larger profits?

> They definitely could improve their work/life balance and their gender disparity

Japan has a low amount of economic inequality and a high quality of life, so I see little reason why it should change. In most countries, it's still considered a fact that men and women are different. I think it may be your Western values determining what you think should change in a culture completely different from our own.

Re:Return of the city-state by ekianjo on Thursday September 07, 2017 @12:24AM (#15189129)
> Not saying I agree but it's proof a country can do relatively well despite many disadvantages

Japan is far from doing well. It's in recession now, its demographics profile is going down the toilet, they have a massive public debt that they can never hope to repay, and a social security system that's constantly in the red. It's not going to end well no matter how optimistic you are.

Re:Return of the city-state by mc32 on Thursday September 07, 2017 @12:33AM (#15189160)
There is no question they are going through a demographic restructuring and automating and becoming an elder-centered economy in the future.

I don't think granting the countryside the power they have has contributed negatively to their economic outlook.

What I am saying is allowing the countryside an outsized say in the politics of the country writ large does not seem to have negatively affected the economy given the structural realities.

Although, granted, the countryside with their bloc keeps successfully thwarting any agricultural reforms (import tariffs). On the other hand, buy local and grow your own critical sustenance (cuz embargoes: see Qatar).

Re:Return of the city-state by ekianjo on Thursday September 07, 2017 @02:42AM (#15189587)
> Although, granted, the countryside with their bloc keeps successfully thwarting any agricultural reforms (import tariffs). On the other hand, buy local and grow your own critical sustenance (cuz embargoes: see Qatar).

I'd rather have "make peace with your neighbors, promote commercial exchange instead of putting tariffs everywhere making eating fruits a luxury for 90% of your population".

Seriously, agriculture in Japan is retarded. Productivity is extremely low compared to any other developed country, and they use tons of pesticides (way more than anywhere else), because JA forces folks to use them if they want to sell in their right channels. It's just a big mafia at the national level.

If we were to make stuff at home, everything would be much more expensive (you would never get cheap smartphones like you have now) and the level of life would decrease sharply for everyone. Specialized regions for specific products, with proper exchange of goods is what has worked to make everyone richer in the end.

Re:Return of the city-state by chrischen on Thursday September 07, 2017 @05:01AM (#15190119)
But how do you know they are doing well because of it or despite it?

They're also in terms of a country more likely to live around cities, and much more densely since Tokyo is one of the, if not most, densely populated megacities.

I would say any economic power they do have is because of the density and progressiveness of their cities.