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Re:Welcome to the Lost Decade (for Entrepreneurs, IPOs, and ... by edw519 on Thursday July 15, 2010 @10:58AM (#1517999)
Hmmm, the seismic shift from MoreLikelyToIPO to MoreLikelyToGetAcquired happened around the same time as Enron and its ensuing government yoke, Sarbanes-Oxley. Coincidence? I doubt it.

When compliance raises expenses 1%, no big deal. But if that number approaches 50% for small, nimble, well-leveraged tech start-ups, then public markets become closed to them.

SOX is an awfully big variable to not be considered.

Re:Welcome to the Lost Decade (for Entrepreneurs, IPOs, and ... by chipsy on Thursday July 15, 2010 @12:07PM (#1518207)
SOX doesn't explain the macroeconomic picture, though.

Recall the high unemployment rate; the government has dumped money into several tried-and-true methods to stimulate growth and bring back jobs, but whatever growth we've seen in the last few quarters hasn't translated into expansion of operations. We can infer from this picture that companies are sitting on their money and spending frugally. They did so in the early 2000s as well. SOX explains why it's hard for a small-to-mid-cap to break out, but it doesn't explain why existing big businesses would restrict their spending.

My conjecture, which I don't have a watertight case for, is that business(as a whole) doesn't want to grow, or can increasingly meet growth targets via productivity alone, and so the whole rationale driving IPOs - and the capital/labor side of the economy - is broken.

Re:Welcome to the Lost Decade (for Entrepreneurs, IPOs, and ... by j_baker on Thursday July 15, 2010 @11:43AM (#1518139)
I think a simpler explanation is that IPOs simply weren't a good idea for most technology firms, which is part of what led to the dot-com crash.
Re:Welcome to the Lost Decade (for Entrepreneurs, IPOs, and ... by aspiringsensei on Thursday July 15, 2010 @02:11PM (#1518591)
Exactly - if you need proof that equity of tech companies is a different investment than equity of staid, ordinary companies, look at the capital structure of successful tech companies.

Google, Microsoft, Nvidia, Apple...No Debt.

The existence of large cash cushions on these balance sheets is insurance against a rainy day, and changes the risk profile. If these companies had been levered during the 03-07 expansion, they would have exploded in value.

They didn't, because it makes no sense to lever a tech company to the hilt, even if you believe it makes sense to lever a manufacturing company to high heaven. Cashflows are too variable and too prone to disruption.

It takes a special kind of tech co to go public, and many (i'm lookin' at you pets.com) weren't that kind.

Re:Welcome to the Lost Decade (for Entrepreneurs, IPOs, and ... by _delirium on Thursday July 15, 2010 @11:48AM (#1518149)
SOX took effect in late 2002, but the big seismic shift had happened by 2001 (look at the drop-off in IPOs between 2000 and 2001, which never recovered). Seems like the dot-com crash leading to greatly decreased public demand for tech shares is a lot more likely explanation.
Re:Welcome to the Lost Decade (for Entrepreneurs, IPOs, and ... by gojomo on Thursday July 15, 2010 @12:54PM (#1518337)
Clearly the dotcom bust (and closely-following recessions and wars) explained the immediate drop in IPOs. But those are cyclical matters. Why they haven't come back 10 years later is what requires some structural explanation. SOX is both proximate in time and plausible as a mechanism, on the 10-year scale.

Never mind the crazy IPO levels of bubble years 1999-2000. Why can't we get back to the modest 100-200 IPOs a year of the early 1990s?

Re:Welcome to the Lost Decade (for Entrepreneurs, IPOs, and ... by jbooth on Thursday July 15, 2010 @01:41PM (#1518490)
SOX is a pain in the ass but it's hardly relevant. If you're planing a multi-100-million dollar IPO, having to do more accounting work isn't your primary or secondary driver.
Re:Welcome to the Lost Decade (for Entrepreneurs, IPOs, and ... by gojomo on Thursday July 15, 2010 @02:56PM (#1518752)
Higher accounting costs and legal risks every year of being a public company doesn't make being a public company less attractive? Companies don't care about expenses?
Re:Welcome to the Lost Decade (for Entrepreneurs, IPOs, and ... by _delirium on Thursday July 15, 2010 @03:39PM (#1518901)
They're not irrelevant, but we're seeing a margin much bigger than they could account for. If there were companies that today could exit with 1990s-style $500m IPOs, I don't think they would walk away from them because of SOX. They're not having those IPOs because there are very few companies today that could convince investors to pay $500m for their stock.

Those who do have a business model, outlook, and revenues that makes them attractive, like Google, can and do still IPO successfully, but there aren't many of them.

Re:Welcome to the Lost Decade (for Entrepreneurs, IPOs, and ... by gojomo on Friday July 16, 2010 @05:09AM (#1520706)
I agree that SOX alone is not enough to explain the dearth of IPOs. A least for 2008-2010, the housing/financial crash seems a much bigger culprit.

At the margin, though, SOX's costs cause private companies to delay going public, and provide a relative advantage to older/larger/already-public companies -- acquirers -- for whom compliance costs are proportionately smaller.

And since the cycle of IPOs depends on emulating prior successes, even a small initial effect could depress the follow-on rate for years.

Google is sui generis, the most successful venture-backed company of the past 30 years. If being 'like Google' is the yardstick to IPO, the system is seriously broken.

Re:Welcome to the Lost Decade (for Entrepreneurs, IPOs, and ... by jbooth on Thursday July 15, 2010 @03:11PM (#1518801)
We're talking about people making a decision to go public or not. Those legal risks were there anyways (it's illegal to defraud shareholders, even by accident), and if you're raising an IPO you're gonna be skyrocketing your accounting and other overhead costs anyways.

Your single-minded obsession with SOX is missing about a million other general and business-specific factors that would go into this decision, many of which represent a much higher dollar figure than sarbox compliance.

Heck, the costs of actually executing the IPO probably dwarf typical sarbox compliance costs (this statistic totally made up but plausible).

Re:Welcome to the Lost Decade (for Entrepreneurs, IPOs, and ... by Robin_Message on Thursday July 15, 2010 @11:53AM (#1518166)
Surely the whole tech bubble is a much bigger factor in this? Although correlation is not causation... :) Here's my thinking:

In the bubble, IPOs abounded and investors were buying whatever shit they could lap up if it had "e" in the name. Post-bubble, tech companies that survived have been successful (by definition) and have sought to absorb smaller companies both to gain technologies and to kill off competitors; whereas investors have been wary of new tech stocks. This alone could explain the shift from IPO to acquisition.

Also, a small, nimble, well-leveraged tech start-up surely doesn't want or need an IPO anyway. An IPO doesn't make sense if you don't need the cash (unless you VC would rather have an "exit" than profits†). It is hard for investors to evaluate the potential of a small tech company; acquisition makes much more sense.

† VCs demanding an exit in a fixed time frame might make an IPO impossible -- is this something that happens? Do any VCs accept dividends instead of a buyout?

Re:Welcome to the Lost Decade (for Entrepreneurs, IPOs, and ... by anamax on Thursday July 15, 2010 @01:46PM (#1518504)
> Do any VCs accept dividends instead of a buyout?

VCs aren't the issue - the investors, the folks/companies who put money into their funds are.

VC funds are partnerships which divvy up the stuff bought with the money. The investors value liquidity.

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Re:Welcome to the Lost Decade (for Entrepreneurs, IPOs, and ... by DilipJ on Thursday July 15, 2010 @12:19PM (#1518248)
Is that all we're about though? Building some silly widget, and then finding some sucker to buy it, and then laughing all the way to the bank? If that's the case, then how are we any different than the guys on Wall Street pushing credit swaps? That's not a sustainable model.

I agree that building a company to quickly flip or IPO is going to be increasingly difficult, but that doesn't mean there isn't room for growth and innovation in the field. After all, MS started during the recession of the 70's...