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Re:What Is To Be Done? It is time to consider alternate syst... by 549362-30499 on Monday September 04, 2017 @10:56AM (#15168630)
That would devastate the huge swaths of rural America dependent on federal subsidies for income, medical care, fuel, etc. Are those people supposed to simply die? Become refugees in the coastal states that generate the bulk of the revenue?
Re:What Is To Be Done? It is time to consider alternate syst... by rwmj on Monday September 04, 2017 @11:03AM (#15168687)
Small government doesn't necessarily mean that there can't be a transfer of wealth between states. But on the other hand maybe it is better if people move to jobs. I notice you use the perjorative word "refugees", but they're really people moving for work so "economic migrant" might be less charged.
Re:What Is To Be Done? It is time to consider alternate syst... by 549362-30499 on Monday September 04, 2017 @11:08AM (#15168734)
I don't think of refugee as a pejorative, at least not in this context. They wouldn't be economic migrants because they would be migrating to the wealthy states specifically to take advantage of the social programs those states are funding/would fund on a state level. A corn farmer whose income vanishes because his federal subsidies are taken away isn't going to migrate to San Francisco for a tech job, he'll migrate because he needs to see a doctor.
Re:What Is To Be Done? It is time to consider alternate syst... by rbanffy on Monday September 04, 2017 @11:39AM (#15168933)
> Small government doesn't necessarily mean that there can't be a transfer of wealth between states.

I will remain skeptical until I see a state willing to give resources away to improve living conditions of other states.

Re:What Is To Be Done? It is time to consider alternate syst... by jessaustin on Monday September 04, 2017 @11:56AM (#15169028)
That's what's happening now, isn't it? "Blue" states are paying in more so "red" states can pay in less?

I suspect it isn't only because of the relative poverty of "red" states. Rather, it's an unavoidable compromise among states with different political preferences. The reason that "red" states will agree to greater entitlement spending than their voters prefer is because they are bribed to do so. The reason "blue" states will agree to the bribery is because it helps them fulfill their voters' preferences.

If decentralization ends this cooperative arrangement, it won't be a disaster. "Red" states will have to reorganize their spending priorities. "Blue" states will have a little more money to spend on whatever. Life will go on, but just a bit differently in South Dakota than in Oregon.

Re:What Is To Be Done? It is time to consider alternate syst... by rbanffy on Monday September 04, 2017 @01:38PM (#15169665)
> That's what's happening now, isn't it? "Blue" states are paying in more so "red" states can pay in less?

Do you think it'd happen without a federal government?

Re:What Is To Be Done? It is time to consider alternate syst... by jessaustin on Monday September 04, 2017 @02:01PM (#15169812)
It's an interesting question. Keeping in mind the levels of "foreign" aid we maintain now, I would suspect... yes? Is there a transition that American politics makes from the state level to the federal level, that makes us more generous? Is there a reason for that transition, or is it simply magical?
Re:What Is To Be Done? It is time to consider alternate syst... by joelhoffman on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @12:15PM (#15176593)
In the case of California specifically, the difference between federal taxes paid and federal money received represents about 7% of the state budget. Foreign aid is about 1% of the federal budget, though. Why would California spend more? (Edit: Of course its budget might have to triple if it didn't get all that federal money, so there you go.)
Re:What Is To Be Done? It is time to consider alternate syst... by rbanffy on Monday September 04, 2017 @02:18PM (#15169901)
Foreign aid is just a tool in the soft diplomacy spectrum. It's not usually given out of generosity, but to influence local politics, develop markets etc...
Re:What Is To Be Done? It is time to consider alternate syst... by jessaustin on Monday September 04, 2017 @02:27PM (#15169969)
Is there any reason to believe that those factors would not apply?
Re:What Is To Be Done? It is time to consider alternate syst... by rbanffy on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @12:35PM (#15176785)
One good reason of a stable relationship (as in states of a single country) is not needing to spend time and energy with diplomacy, freeing those resources for use abroad.

If the military-industrial complex could be coopted into building schools, roads, railroads and hospitals instead of weapons, soft diplomacy could change the face of the planet.

For a fraction of current prices.

Re:What Is To Be Done? It is time to consider alternate syst... by simonsarris on Monday September 04, 2017 @02:46PM (#15170104)
Doesn't the EU do that all the time, to develop the less developed members? (Read: Mostly Poland)

http://msp.gov.pl/en/polish-economy/economic-news/4015,dok.h...

> The value of total European Union funds allocation for particular EU member states, according to the EU budget for 2014-2020, as agreed during the EU summit in Brussels on February 8, 2013

Re:What Is To Be Done? It is time to consider alternate syst... by WalterSear on Monday September 04, 2017 @09:47PM (#15171954)
As difficult as it is to admit, I don't see them resolving their problems until they have no choice.