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Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by riku_iki on Sunday September 03, 2017 @01:54PM (#15162781)
ORA just kills software with no market success. All companies do that. If you like solaris, you had an opportunity to make your vote using your wallet.

I am actually surprised they invested into Solaris for so long, considering its long time half dead status on the market.

Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by cat199 on Sunday September 03, 2017 @09:42PM (#15165072)
Sure, if you ignore the massive effort that was being invested in revamping Solaris to be more FOSS friendly and engage with the community prior to oracle's sun takeover..

I suspect if the takeover hadn't happened, the FOSS systems landscape would look a whole lot different. Like what, I don't know, but definitely different.

Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by SkyMarshal on Sunday September 03, 2017 @10:57PM (#15165392)
Sun really needed to FOSS license Solaris before Linux hit critical mass. That would have been amazing. Linux is pretty good for what it is, but imagine if it had been Solaris that won instead of Linux, and thus running on most of the servers of the world and potentially iOS and Android as well. It might have even made some desktop inroads, given it would have launched out of the FOSS gate with a more developed desktop than Linux at the time. Such a huge missed opportunity.
Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by Tloewald on Monday September 04, 2017 @12:17PM (#15169163)
I doubt Apple or NeXT would have ported their platform to Solaris (from BSD/Mach). it seems to me that BSD would have been Linux if Linux hadn't happened.
Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by madkangas on Monday September 04, 2017 @05:34PM (#15170999)
Actually, NeXT did just that. OPENSTEP ran on Mach, Solaris, HPUX, and (amazingly) Windows NT. It didn't make a difference for NeXT's market share.

NeXT was acquired by Apple. 6 months later... Jobs was in charge, and history unfolded.

Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by Tloewald on Saturday September 09, 2017 @12:34PM (#15207792)
Oh of course you're right (/facepalm).

But does/did Solaris have anything worthwhile to offer over BSD/Mach.

Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by riku_iki on Monday September 04, 2017 @12:11AM (#15165672)
> I suspect if the takeover hadn't happened, the FOSS systems landscape would look a whole lot different.

Sun was in bad financial situation at that point, there is a high chance all these engineers would be laid off 8 years earlier if takeover hadn't happened.

Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by davidgerard on Monday September 04, 2017 @03:50AM (#15166468)
> I suspect if the takeover hadn't happened, the FOSS systems landscape would look a whole lot different. Like what, I don't know, but definitely different.

It's possible IBM would have been a significantly better steward. Of course, it would have been hard to be a worse one.

Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by toyg on Monday September 04, 2017 @08:12AM (#15167644)
> it would have been hard to be a worse one.

That's a bit unfair. IBM would have probably canned hardware (and hence Solaris) much earlier than Oracle did, because they already had their own offering in that space and they were as invested as Oracle in Linux (ok, they don't have their own RedHat clone, but they are definitely big on supporting Linux).

IBM was buying Sun because of Java, and planning to chuck the hardware out one way or another. Oracle bought Sun because of the hardware and basically kept everything else going, albeit in a reduced fashion where there was overlap (MySQL) or they were not interested in the niche (OpenOffice).

I think Oracle had some decent ideas and didn't execute well on them, partly because of cultural issues. I don't think IBM would have done better, certainly not on the hardware/Solaris side. They would have probably done a bit better with Java/OpenOffice but that's about it. Solaris was doomed by the Linux boom, there is very little anyone could have done about that by the time the acquisition became inevitable.

Re:“Oracle laid off all Solaris tech staff in a classic sile... by davidgerard on Monday September 04, 2017 @09:03AM (#15167937)
I do know in the mid-2000s IBM was one of the biggest resellers of Sun's hardware, possibly doing more volume than Sun did directly.

They were interested in OpenOffice ... just not sustainably, as it turned out.