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Re:Where will artificial general intelligence come from? by mirimir on Saturday September 02, 2017 @11:30PM (#15159534)
Well, for biological organisms, it's all about reproductive success. I mean, what exits today reflects what managed to reproduce, and how well. Overall, that has created lots of complexity. But that's just because there are so many niches and ways to be successful in them.

What you say about people reflects cooperative behavior that drives reproductive success for shared gene complexes.

Re:Where will artificial general intelligence come from? by TheOtherHobbes on Sunday September 03, 2017 @07:17AM (#15160852)
It took nature four billion years to invent humans, who are actually - if we're honest - pretty terrible as an example of workable AGI.

In fact what nature invented was a persistent colony organism with external memory.

Wild solo humans are only a little smarter than wolves individually, but being able to share and externalise invention and learning created a massive advantage.

Humans are successful because although only a tiny minority of individuals are any good at invention, the fact that information persists and is shared means the entire population benefits.

The problem for AI is modelling the learning and invention process. Classifiers and recognisers are getting better, but they're not really learning in the human sense, which is a combination of abstraction, mimicry, and occasional invention.

IMO there's no chance of AGI developing until there's a persistent, transferable, abstracted model generated as an output from classifier systems and other learning machines which is a symbolic - not just a statistical - summary of the learning.

Re:Where will artificial general intelligence come from? by visarga on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @12:11AM (#15172461)
Transfer learning is a thing (one NN learns from another or multiple NNs), also, large ontologies representing billions of facts.
Re:Where will artificial general intelligence come from? by red75prime on Monday September 04, 2017 @01:30AM (#15165922)
> until there's a persistent, transferable, abstracted model [...]

It can be compressed to "until AIs can talk".

Re:Where will artificial general intelligence come from? by mirimir on Monday September 04, 2017 @03:30AM (#15166400)
... to other AIs.
Re:Where will artificial general intelligence come from? by red75prime on Monday September 04, 2017 @04:09AM (#15166548)
or "... to itself"
Re:Where will artificial general intelligence come from? by visarga on Tuesday September 05, 2017 @12:08AM (#15172451)
> for biological organisms, it's all about reproductive success

Another way of putting it - the source of meaning is life, or death (prolonging life, avoiding death as much as possible). Reproduction is just the start of life. From this game of life and death come reward signals that teach us how to act in the world (our values).