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Re:ESPN Football Analyst Walks Away, Disturbed by Brain Trau... by yequalsx on Thursday August 31, 2017 @02:39PM (#15142698)
Would you be OK allowing two consenting adults to fight to the death for pay? Most people would not be for allowing this. A lot of people are willing to work in very risky environments because they feel they have no alternative. Should companies be allowed to have dangerous work environments because there are people desperate enough to be willing to work in them?
Re:ESPN Football Analyst Walks Away, Disturbed by Brain Trau... by dsacco on Thursday August 31, 2017 @04:00PM (#15143397)
> Would you be OK allowing two consenting adults to fight to the death for pay?

Given that scenario as stated? Sure, I'm all for it. Take away the gloves in boxing and we're pretty close to that.

I'd be concerned about the negative incentives that could potentially exploit lower income people, but on its own I don't have a problem with it.

I personally wouldn't do it, and I don't think I'd enjoy watching it, but I'm of the opinion that:

1. If it occurs a lot, there is a market for it,

2. Given a market for it, we should explore allowing and heavily regulating it, including negative externalities, rather than banning it and pushing it to a black market.

Re:ESPN Football Analyst Walks Away, Disturbed by Brain Trau... by darrenf on Thursday August 31, 2017 @04:20PM (#15143566)
AIUI bare knuckle boxing is less dangerous than the big time stuff. Gloves protect the boxer doing the punching from breaking their fingers/hands, enabling them to do more damage to their opponents. You ain't punching a skull with your bare knuckles and hurting the other party much.
Re:ESPN Football Analyst Walks Away, Disturbed by Brain Trau... by dsacco on Thursday August 31, 2017 @06:19PM (#15144449)
Ah, my mistake I suppose. I understood bare knuckle boxing is dangerous for the hands, but I also believed it was dangerous for the other party.
Re:ESPN Football Analyst Walks Away, Disturbed by Brain Trau... by yequalsx on Thursday August 31, 2017 @05:42PM (#15144206)
You'd be OK allowing two people to fight to the death for pay? I'm stunned. You are the only person I know of that would be OK living in a society that allowed two people to fight until one of them dies for pay. I'm glad your view is not a popular one.
Re:ESPN Football Analyst Walks Away, Disturbed by Brain Trau... by rplst8 on Thursday August 31, 2017 @10:24PM (#15145660)
Re:ESPN Football Analyst Walks Away, Disturbed by Brain Trau... by yequalsx on Friday September 01, 2017 @12:58AM (#15146222)
Those are not fights to the death. They are deaths due to fighting. There is a significant difference. We do not allow two people to fight to the death for money. I'm surprised that anyone would be in favor of allowing it to be legal.
Re:ESPN Football Analyst Walks Away, Disturbed by Brain Trau... by Brendinooo on Thursday August 31, 2017 @03:54PM (#15143341)
I don't think this is a black-and-white kind of area. Plenty of miners felt a lot of pride in their work and wouldn't have given it up if they didn't have to, but mining is inherently more dangerous than sitting at a desk.

So, while companies should have workers' comp and provide helmets on the job, it doesn't mean that the risk needs to be zero. Dangerous jobs tend to be well-compensated, so it either comes down to risk tolerance or cultural factors (something like "my father was a miner and I live in coal country") more than desperation.

Re:ESPN Football Analyst Walks Away, Disturbed by Brain Trau... by forapurpose on Thursday August 31, 2017 @07:11PM (#15144790)
> Plenty of miners felt a lot of pride in their work and wouldn't have given it up if they didn't have to, but mining is inherently more dangerous than sitting at a desk.

Could you cite some evidence that this is a widespread attitude? My knowledge of miners, which is very little, says something much different.

> Dangerous jobs tend to be well-compensated

I'm not sure that's true. In the list of high-paying jobs that money-motivated people aspire to, I usually don't see coal miner (or any miner), soldier, police officer in dangerous neighborhood, logger, deep sea fisherman or drug dealer listed.

Re:ESPN Football Analyst Walks Away, Disturbed by Brain Trau... by girvo on Thursday August 31, 2017 @11:28PM (#15145900)
Here in Australia, mining is definitely on the list of "high paying jobs people aspire to", especially for those where education is a limiting factor; and even then, the pay can be excellent, and it can be fascinating work and some of the positions require advanced degrees or training as well.
Re:ESPN Football Analyst Walks Away, Disturbed by Brain Trau... by BearGoesChirp on Friday September 01, 2017 @08:53AM (#15147935)
>Would you be OK allowing two consenting adults to fight to the death for pay?

If we are talking where death is a risk but not a definite, then we do allow such jobs. At what point do you consider the harm too bad to allow and would we really consistently apply that standard?