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Re:Honda system confused by Alonso taking Pouhon flat by bsder on Saturday August 26, 2017 @07:50PM (#15108121)
Huh? I though the whole initial problems was that the hybrids outperformed the petrol versions quite handily.

Why would you have to limit gasoline when the system is going to evolve to wipe that out anyway?

Re:Honda system confused by Alonso taking Pouhon flat by jdietrich on Saturday August 26, 2017 @08:50PM (#15108362)
There are a number of reasons for the fuel limit.

One is simply that the engine manufacturers want efficiency to be a relevant factor, because it aids in their R&D and marketing efforts. With a fuel limit in place, F1 becomes a showcase for both performance and efficiency.

Another vital reason is to limit speed and cost. Back in the 1980s, F1 was in the midst of a turbocharger-driven arms race. Manufacturers were adding more and more boost, which had a severe impact on both costs and safety. The high levels of boost severely stressed the engines, so teams were replacing the entire engine after a single race. Many teams were using "qualifying special" engines that were built with a lifespan of just five laps. The extra power was creating dangerously high speeds and the effects of turbo lag made the power delivery of these engines very erratic and difficult to control.

Many other racing formulas use a restrictor plate - a metal flange with a hole of a specified diameter that restricts the air intake of the engine, creating a hard limit on maximum power.

Re:Honda system confused by Alonso taking Pouhon flat by philjohn on Sunday August 27, 2017 @04:24AM (#15109714)
Of course, there are sneaky ways around restrictor plates, as evidenced by Toyota's cheating in WRC.
Re:Honda system confused by Alonso taking Pouhon flat by pbhjpbhj on Sunday August 27, 2017 @06:05AM (#15110049)
http://blackflag.jalopnik.com/how-the-best-racing-cheat-of-a...

Very short: they made the plate warp when in place and return to standard when the intake hose was removed for inspection.

Interesting hack.

Re:Honda system confused by Alonso taking Pouhon flat by Tuna-Fish on Sunday August 27, 2017 @12:03AM (#15109048)
The hybrid versions do not outpeform what a petrol version could be, if it wasn't strictly restricted to a specified maximum engine volume and pressure.

Once upon a time, F1 used to be a "anything goes" series where the best in the world competed to build the fastest racing cars in the world. This stopped when it became easily possible to build a car that was simply too fast for a human to drive.

Since then, the racing series has piled on rules and restrictions meant to limit what the cars can do. Since the gasoline engine is hard capped, and they allowed adding an electric engine on top of that, you now need to use one to compete.

Re:Honda system confused by Alonso taking Pouhon flat by Animats on Sunday August 27, 2017 @01:11AM (#15109237)
stopped when it became easily possible to build a car that was simply too fast for a human to drive.

That's true of almost all auto racing today. Powerplants can deliver more power than anyone can use. Now it's all about keeping the wheels on the ground.

Re:Honda system confused by Alonso taking Pouhon flat by disordinary on Saturday August 26, 2017 @08:30PM (#15108284)
I guess there's two reasons - the first is when they started this process it was before we had full electric vehicles and it wasn't clear what the best technology would be, at the time hybrid vehicles were very popular.

The second is that F1 has been carbon neutral for at least two decades with the FIA planting trees to offset the extraordinary amount of pollution that flying the F1 circus around the world generates. Even though reducing fuel does nothing to make F1 greener when you take into account the carbon generated by transportation it is important that the actual show is as green as possible.

Re:Honda system confused by Alonso taking Pouhon flat by lqdc13 on Saturday August 26, 2017 @09:48PM (#15108599)
This is all PR.

In bet now it's way more energy demanding than before just because there are way more people involved.

More journalists/media and many more support staff to work on hybrid tech.

Re:Honda system confused by Alonso taking Pouhon flat by disordinary on Saturday August 26, 2017 @10:05PM (#15108688)
Isn't that what I said in different words?
Re:Honda system confused by Alonso taking Pouhon flat by lqdc13 on Monday August 28, 2017 @03:04AM (#15114889)
You're right. Didn't read your comment thoroughly. I guess I don't understand the general sentiment of why it is important that the actual show is as green as possible.

To me it just underscores the disparity between the feel-good green energy and the actual carbon footprint people generate. For example, it's a lot more "green" to not own a car than to own a Tesla.

I wish they kept racing a purely fun driver-focused endeavor and got rid of most of the electronics and hybrid tech.

And for those who love the tech maybe have a separate competition of self-driving electric vehicles.

Re:Honda system confused by Alonso taking Pouhon flat by disordinary on Monday August 28, 2017 @06:57AM (#15115708)
Because it's good advertising and greentech is big business. Companies also want to be seen as being progressive and at the forefront of trends.

Also, petrolheads aren't the most environmentally conscious so F1 is being a good citizen of the world by promoting green tech. Even if it's very much do as I say not as I do.

Re:Honda system confused by Alonso taking Pouhon flat by quickben on Saturday August 26, 2017 @08:04PM (#15108188)
I believe they are free to not carry gasoline. The fact they carry it, tells you a lot.