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Re:German Interior Ministry shuts down Linksunten.indymedia.org by mercurysmessage on Friday August 25, 2017 @08:12AM (#15097825)
People don't have a problem with 'anything' right wing, people have a problem with far right wing, and the views that come along with it. You know, nationalism, supremacy, xenophobia.
Re:German Interior Ministry shuts down Linksunten.indymedia.org by DarkKomunalec on Friday August 25, 2017 @09:12AM (#15098139)
Holding the interests of your own country above those of others is by definition nationalism, and almost any opposition to immigration is labelled xenophobia.

They are, and have historically been, the policy for the vast majority of countries, and are advantageous positions for a population to have - is that all it takes to be far right?

Re:German Interior Ministry shuts down Linksunten.indymedia.org by mercurysmessage on Friday August 25, 2017 @09:24AM (#15098205)
The problem is that we don't live in the 1800s, we live in a global market, and consumers want the best products available. Additionally, these are people, why would we limit the movements of people?

Immigrants help Countries they move to, they build the economy and workforce, and are the only reason why the US does not have an aging population as bad as Canada, Japan, and many other nations. Opposition to immigration is xenophobia.

Historically, many things have been bad, and/or wrong. Mental Health treatment, treatment of the aboriginal people, food safety, environmental policy and protection. How is history any sort of an argument?

Re:German Interior Ministry shuts down Linksunten.indymedia.org by DarkKomunalec on Friday August 25, 2017 @10:37AM (#15098752)
History was not the argument - it was to illustrate that what you consider far right has been and is common.

> we live in a global market,

Treating local businesses preferentially does not mean abolishing international trade. Just look at China, or US agricultural subsidies, or tariffs, or countless other examples.

> Immigrants help Countries they move to

Countries, perhaps, but what about the local people? Don't they compete for the same jobs, driving down wages? Vote and take advantage of common resources (drinking water, arable land, existing infrastructure, etc.), reducing the political and economic capital of the locals? Encourage policies for more immigration, instead of policies that would encourage parenthood? Won't immigrants look out for their own interests more than for those of the local population?

Let me rephrase that last question - is racism real?

> Immigrants [...] are the only reason why the US does not have an aging population

It's a sick society indeed that can't even sustain its own population. And instead of improving itself, it makes up the shortfall with immigration. Do you really believe immigration is the only way to sustain population levels? Why can other countries manage without?

Re:German Interior Ministry shuts down Linksunten.indymedia.org by mercurysmessage on Friday August 25, 2017 @01:26PM (#15100398)
Common, but not as common anymore since it doesn't make as much sense.

> Treating local businesses preferentially does not mean abolishing international trade. Just look at China, or US agricultural subsidies, or tariffs, or countless other examples.

Yes, this is true, they can both exist together.

> Don't they compete for the same jobs, driving down wages? Vote and take advantage of common resources (drinking water, arable land, existing infrastructure, etc.), reducing the political and economic capital of the locals? Encourage policies for more immigration, instead of policies that would encourage parenthood? Won't immigrants look out for their own interests more than for those of the local population?

Why are you making this about us vs them? What is your purpose? Once they immigrate, they are the local population. Everyone takes advantage of those resources, tough. Parenthood doesn't need to be encouraged through policies.

> is racism real?

Yes, it's absolutely insane to me that you are even asking that. You must have lived a sheltered life to think it doesn't exist.

> And instead of improving itself, it makes up the shortfall with immigration

It won't sustain it's own population, this is on us, as a society, and due to changes in the job and technology markets, populations are shrinking dramatically. We aren't and can't force people to have 10 children anymore, that just won't happen.

Other countries don't manage without, what are you saying? They allow immigration, and the population is still shrinking.

What do you have against immigrants, against immigration?

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Re:German Interior Ministry shuts down Linksunten.indymedia.org by mercurysmessage on Friday August 25, 2017 @08:34AM (#15097943)
Many, huh? This is exactly the problem we have now, statements and thoughts like that. Same as you mentioned 'Einzelfallmap'. It's creating the thought that refugees are violent. Very dangerous to assume entire groups are bad.
Re:German Interior Ministry shuts down Linksunten.indymedia.org by yAnonymous on Friday August 25, 2017 @09:58AM (#15098427)
If collecting and republishing newspaper articles and police reports is against the law, we really are in trouble.

It doesn't matter what conclusions people draw from this. There's simply nothing illegal about it.

Re:German Interior Ministry shuts down Linksunten.indymedia.org by mercurysmessage on Friday August 25, 2017 @10:15AM (#15098567)
There is nothing illegal, it's just idiotic behavior. What's the point? Oh, not 100% of people that flee conflict are good people? Uh, congrats? There are bad people in every group, this should be common sense, and if you are working so hard to 'prove' that some refugees are bad, you are the bad person.
Re:German Interior Ministry shuts down Linksunten.indymedia.org by borisj on Friday August 25, 2017 @09:04AM (#15098100)
By generalizing "leftists", you sound like a right-winger who has problems with anything left of your own political views. I'm sure you'll explain how you're in fact a moderate as defense.
Re:German Interior Ministry shuts down Linksunten.indymedia.org by yAnonymous on Friday August 25, 2017 @09:54AM (#15098397)
In my experience, most left people are like this. Even those who consider themselves moderate. The same people who do not differentiate when talking about the right wing.
Re:German Interior Ministry shuts down Linksunten.indymedia.org by vidarh on Friday August 25, 2017 @04:14PM (#15101800)
The sheer irony of accusing the other side of not differentiating while trying to lump all of us into one group.

Maybe you should take a look in the mirror - this is not the first of your comments I've seen that fall in this trap of accusing everyone else of something you're demonstrating yourself.

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Re:German Interior Ministry shuts down Linksunten.indymedia.org by yAnonymous on Friday August 25, 2017 @10:01AM (#15098456)
>The time for accepting different opinions is over. It's 2017.

I'm really glad the people who call everyone racist who doesn't agree with them are now getting a taste of their own medicine. I should be fighting for their rights, too, but at this point... fuck it.

Re:German Interior Ministry shuts down Linksunten.indymedia.org by mercurysmessage on Friday August 25, 2017 @10:19AM (#15098608)
So you can't stand people calling others racist for not being accepting, but it's OK to stereotype refugees? It's a contradiction.
Re:German Interior Ministry shuts down Linksunten.indymedia.org by daxorid on Friday August 25, 2017 @04:26PM (#15101908)
"Stereotyping" is an excellent scare word to dismiss those who present factual data of average rates of N and tendencies to M across demographic groups.
Re:German Interior Ministry shuts down Linksunten.indymedia.org by mercurysmessage on Friday August 25, 2017 @04:39PM (#15102011)
No, the problem with it is that the people who often like to use Statistics in this way use it selectively. If you want to argue that, I can easily argue that Trump supporters and conservatives are far more likely to be racist. Curiously, those same people will dispute that.

Additionally, stats are subject to bias, and can be manipulated very easily to scare people.

Regardless, it's moronic to just assume someone is bad or evil, and really reflects more on you as a person.

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Re:German Interior Ministry shuts down Linksunten.indymedia.org by mercurysmessage on Friday August 25, 2017 @03:44PM (#15101584)
What are you even talking about?
Re:German Interior Ministry shuts down Linksunten.indymedia.org by mikejb on Friday August 25, 2017 @08:53AM (#15098048)
> Spotted the alt-right.

I think you told more about yourself than the person you tried to judge.