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Re:Right to Privacy a Fundamental Right, Says Indian Supreme... by whack on Thursday August 24, 2017 @08:44AM (#15089609)
"The petitioners, former Karnataka high court judge Justice K.S. Puttaswamy and others, had contended that the biometric data and iris scan that was being collected for issuing Aadhaar cards violated the citizen’s fundamental right to privacy"

I find the above interpretation of privacy troubling. In order for the government to effectively distribute social services to the needy, cutting out corrupt/inefficient middlemen, it needs a way of effectively verifying someone's identity, so that people can't dual-enroll themselves. Having people provide biometric identifies such as Iris scans, if they want to qualify for government services, seems like a perfectly reasonable way to do this. I would also contend that when most people declare the importance of privacy, they are talking about their actions and lifestyle, not fingerprints or Iris scans. It would be sad if this ruling prevents the government from efficiently providing social services to help the poor.

Re:Right to Privacy a Fundamental Right, Says Indian Supreme... by satbyy on Thursday August 24, 2017 @08:55AM (#15089686)
Not really. He means that govt cannot force every citizen to undergo iris scan etc. for obtaining Aadhar card. I would like to get Aadhar without iris scan (and am willing to let go of secondary benefits like LPG subssidy etc). Such an option doesn't exist as of today. I, as an individual, will exercise my right to privacy by deciding whether to give my biometrics or not. Govt should not decide on my behalf.
Re:Right to Privacy a Fundamental Right, Says Indian Supreme... by programmer_dude on Thursday August 24, 2017 @09:47AM (#15090057)
An Aadhar card is just an identity document. You don't have to get one if you don't want any benefits linked to it. Just use some other ID.
Re:Right to Privacy a Fundamental Right, Says Indian Supreme... by wtmt on Thursday August 24, 2017 @10:00AM (#15090145)
Having a bank account from a non-government entity is not a benefit provided by the government. Yet, the government has issued notifications to link all bank accounts with Aadhaar or have the accounts indefinitely suspended.

Having a mobile number from a non-government entity is not a benefit provided by the government. Yet, the government's Department of Telecom (DoT) issued a notification asking all telcos to verify their subscribers using Aadhaar.

There are many other cases where the government has blatantly violated the Supreme Court orders that Aadhaar shall remain voluntary and that nobody shall be denied a benefit for want of having it.

Re:Right to Privacy a Fundamental Right, Says Indian Supreme... by BearGoesChirp on Thursday August 24, 2017 @10:36AM (#15090412)
Is this like the US and the SSN, which was originally only meant for social security, but is now used for anything and everything and many systems require it if you want to do business at all, even though the business isn't related to social security at all?
Re:Right to Privacy a Fundamental Right, Says Indian Supreme... by wtmt on Thursday August 24, 2017 @01:56PM (#15092413)
It's slightly similar, but a lot more dangerous since it has biometrics attached to it (ten fingerprints and two iris scans). There are no data privacy laws in India, and if someone faces misuse or loss or harm caused by this, they cannot even sue the other party because the legal act (Aadhaar Act) gives the right to sue only to the issuing authority (UIDAI). And UIDAI has a very poor track record of punishing the criminals and instead goes after those who point to flaws in the system.
Re:Right to Privacy a Fundamental Right, Says Indian Supreme... by programmer_dude on Thursday August 24, 2017 @10:12AM (#15090232)
And I agree with you this is overreaching and people must oppose this. Watering down the requirements for Aadhar is not a good solution.
Re:Right to Privacy a Fundamental Right, Says Indian Supreme... by satbyy on Thursday August 24, 2017 @09:59AM (#15090138)
There are already "benefit" cards like LPG card, ration card, BPL card, etc to get those benefits. Why bother with Aadhar then? The answer is, consolidation. Aadhar is meant to be the identity card. I don't want to carry big passport book, etc. wherever I go.
Re:Right to Privacy a Fundamental Right, Says Indian Supreme... by wtmt on Thursday August 24, 2017 @01:58PM (#15092428)
That consolidation, when combined with biometrics, means you can never get it replaced. Your only recourse to identity theft with your biometrics, or the fact that biometric error rates are very high, is to just live with it.
Re:Right to Privacy a Fundamental Right, Says Indian Supreme... by helloindia on Thursday August 24, 2017 @10:19AM (#15090287)
PAN card and Drivers license already works, bank passbook all works as identitification document. You don't need passport for that.
Re:Right to Privacy a Fundamental Right, Says Indian Supreme... by programmer_dude on Thursday August 24, 2017 @10:13AM (#15090240)
Yeah I agree and understand what you are saying but this does not contradict what I said earlier in any way.
Re:Right to Privacy a Fundamental Right, Says Indian Supreme... by wtmt on Thursday August 24, 2017 @09:55AM (#15090112)
I would suggest you study the fallibility of biometrics and the associated problems of incorrect identification before looking at dual or multiple indentities. There's a wealth of information on Rethink Aadhaar as well as Scroll's Identity project. So far, the corecion on having an Aadhaar number has resulted in millions of people not getting their entitlements and many also dying because of that. On the other hand, corruption and fraud, like quantity fraud, have nothing to do with identifying genuine beneficiaries. If anything, the coercion of Aadhaar has made it easier for middle-persons to steal more, even by claiming that a genuine verification of identity hasn't worked and hence the person is not entitled to food (which these people then steal).

If one is looking at solving problems of theft, there are other bigger places to look at and plug "leaks" instead of oppressing the poorest of the poor.

Biometrics, unlike passwords, cannot be replaced or changed if leaked. And people leave their fingerprints in many places, and iris scans have been easily and trivially captured with photos. [3] The system used in India is the actual biometrics of the person that doesn't allow any kind of replacement (there are ways to create variable biometrics).

Error rates of biometrics are also too high to ignore on a population the size of India. In environments with a smaller number of people, biometrics may help in uniquely identifying people.

[1]: https://rethinkaadhaar.in

[2]: https://scroll.in/topic/38792/identity-project

[3]:https://www.theregister.co.uk/2014/12/29/german_minister_fin...

Re:Right to Privacy a Fundamental Right, Says Indian Supreme... by 659087 on Saturday August 26, 2017 @11:49AM (#15105942)
This sounds similar to the arguments Facebook/Zuckerberg were making when "internet".org got the boot from India.

"What about the poor people??"

What they really meant was: "We shouldn't allow poor people to escape our surveillance"