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Re:Rethinking the D-Bus Message Bus by aseipp on Wednesday August 23, 2017 @04:30PM (#15084783)
I don't even know what planet you're living on. In particular, Russ Allbery of the Debian technical committee gave some of the most detailed evaluation of systemd vs alternatives that I've seen from anyone from a user and maintainer POV. (He noticeably said, beforehand, he didn't think it would be a huge deal at first, but it turned out it was a big difference.) Many people did not like their decision, but suggesting that the Debian committee in particular didn't take the issue seriously and were strong-armed by Red Hat -- makes me think you have no idea what you're talking about, honestly.

I'd like to read this part about RHEL throwing their weight around on the Debian lists. Given your implication is that Debian was clearly "forced" to adopting it, I imagine the relevant evidence shouldn't be hard to find.

(Alternatively, you could actually ask other Debian maintainers yourself, like Josh, in this thread how it went. But you already did that and it didn't seem his narrative aligned with yours, so...)

Re:Rethinking the D-Bus Message Bus by JdeBP on Thursday August 24, 2017 @05:14AM (#15088650)
Everyone seems very focussed upon Debian in this thread, even though the thread started out discussing all distributions.

It might be worth everyone's while remembering that Debian is not the be-all and end-all here, even though it did have a massive hoo-hah. The processes in other distributions were markedly different.

* https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11834348

* http://jdebp.eu./FGA/debian-systemd-packaging-hoo-hah.html

Re:Rethinking the D-Bus Message Bus by pas on Saturday August 26, 2017 @07:52AM (#15105067)
The first link doesn't seem to support redhat strongarming.

Arch rc maintainer decided to drop rc for systemd.

The linked evil-poettering intermezzo seems to be irrelevant and strawman-ish too.